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Bullshit: A Rant & An Open Thread

A few days ago I logged back into the “movement” internet sites after about a month long absence doing other things. I had missed a number of high profile “Alt Right” events.

Richard Spencer spoke at a state college in Michigan and the results were about what you would expect. Spencer applied to speak, the college refused, breaking well establishment First Amendment doctrine for public institutions. Kyle Bristow of the Freedom Foundation sued, and the college relented. The day of Spencer’s speech, “Antifa” and a bunch of students and non-students held a violent rally and attacked the handful of ostensibly “pro-White” or “Alt Right” attendees.

Certain groups, highly publicized by the media, like Matt Heimbach’s and Matt Parrott’s “Traditional Worker’s Party” showed up dressed in all black uniforms meant to evoke “neo-Nazis” – complete with armbands (but no plastic helments this time) – and “bravely” “confronted Antifa in the streets.” The mainstream media then, in a quite clever manner, blamed Spencer, TWP, and the other ostensibly “pro-White” side for the demonstration “devolving into violence.”

Which, if we are to be honest and not lie, is exactly what groups like the Traditional Worker’s Party hoped for. Proudly, they logged into social media and posted pictures and videos of their brawling with Antifa and students, gloating over their perceived victory. The media posted the same pictures and videos – and screenshots of their social media gloating – to illustrate the story of the violent, pro-Trump “Alt Right” and the “counter-protestors” typically described as “protesting hate and racism.”

It’s all become quite predictable at this point, a well choreographed event that has happened dozens of times since even before Trump ran for office. Everyone has their part to play, some arrests are made on both sides, and the violence is typically limited to some punches and perhaps a bloody nose or two. Other than the very high profile death of Heather Hayer at last year’s “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, supposedly by an “Alt Right protestor” driving his car into a crowd, that’s usually the end of it until the next time.

This time, however, one of Richard Spencer’s right hand men and co-host of his show was arrested by the police, and Spencer threw in the towel. In a youtube video shortly after the event, Spencer said he was cancelling his college tour, saying that Antifa was simply more willing to escalate the violence and they couldn’t trust the police to keep the peace. Kyle Bristow, perhaps the only actual attorney associated with the “Alt Right” decided to retire from the Freedom Foundation, announcing he was tired of being smeared in the press.

Thus came to head a long simmering fight between various factions of the “Alt Right.” Online properties like The Daily Stormer (DS) and The Right Stuff (TRS) had over the last few months openly feuded with Spencer, and especially Heimbach’s and Parrott’s Traditional Worker’s Party, questioning the wisdom – and the “optics” – of what they described as “goon marches.” Both – or perhaps all – sides argued over who was the true “Alt Right” to be credited for the media publicity of the term. One side accused the other of being “entryists” and “LARPers,” the other complained of their rivals being “keyboard warriors” unwilling to “take the fight to the streets.”

No one could have predicted a few days later the Traditional Worker’s Party would erupt into a sleazy personal scandal involving adultery and domestic violence, the consequences of which are only now starting to be understood by “movement” regulars. This writer predicts the next two years will feature non-stop media coverage of “Alt Right” violence, all tied to Trump, used as fodder in the coming Congressional elections and likely the Presidential elections in 2020. Many in the Alt Right, this writer predicts, will spend the next two years constantly in court, on both criminal and civil changes, all the salacious details likely being covered non-stop in the media.

In reviewing comments on all the major pro-White/Alt Right sites over the last week, one thing struck me as deserving commentary. The entire movement – in both its online and offline aspects – are full of people telling lies and spinning fantasy.

No group illustrates this more than the Traditional Worker’s Party. Having watched this group form and its founder, Matt Heimbach, begin his career half a decade ago, it’s shocking to me to read both Heimbach and his partner Parrott, tell some utter whoppers and spin some absolutely crazy fantasies, but seemingly, unrelated people holding forth on the history, that I witnessed myself, and describing things that I know aren’t true.

A typical example is a commenter on Stormfront lamenting the death of the TWP, saying that Heimbach had created an “effective White Student Union” during his time as a college student at Towson University and how it was a shame his “activist” career had been derailed. Having watched all the media coverage of Heimbach during that time, and following his story quite closely, I couldn’t help but react with a combination of shock and anger at this tall tale – something beyond a fantasy, an outright, bald-faced lie.

There never was any “White Student Union” at Towson University. It never existed. Matt Heimbach simply announced to the press he was going to create one. Presumably, he applied, but he never found a faculty sponsor, so it never happened. By nearly all accounts, the only activity of the “White Student Union” was Matt Heimbach – and one or two friends, neither of whom were students at Towson, just walking around campus a few nights, followed by media cameras, announcing they were on a “safety patrol” to protect [White] women from [Black male] violence.

No women were present.

By any objective standard, the entire media stunt made Heimbach look foolish and the media augmented the foolishness on screen with faux-concerned verbal worries about “hate” and “extremism.”

From this ridiculous beginning began Heimbach’s and his later group’s, Traditional Worker’s Party, years long “activist” career. Heimbach appeared in the media on a regular basis, being featured on ABC news in clownish, scripted, and even costumed scenes – shooting a gun here, lacing up his “skinhead boots” there, and giving quote after quote about “race war” and coming racial violence.

To say it played into the media’s beloved stereotypes of “White Nationalists” as hateful and violent – yet at the same time laughable and clownish – is an understatement. Yet online – and offline – there is a small but determined chorus of support for TWP’s “activism.” After years of the same routine, always heavily covered in the press, to this day there are still comments on the major online Alt Right and White Nationalist sites, while lamenting Heimbach’s presumed personal issues, praising his “bravery” and “dedication to the cause.”

The outright lies are one thing, the fantasies quite another. Heimbach and his right hand man Matt Parrott have constantly claimed they were doing “outreach” to working class Whites in the mid west, providing recovery for opiate addicts, running a “welding school” to help poor Whites get living wage jobs, and even distributing food to needy families – all patterned on successful groups like Greece’s Golden Dawn and even Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon.

But none of that was true, certainly there’s nothing even resembling evidence that any of this ever happened. Yet for years Heimbach and Parrott have been claiming to engage in these activities yet can’t point to a single concrete example of any of it, unless by “feeding needy families” they mean hanging out at BBQs with a few friends.

This writer feels justified in saying that it was all just a bald-faced lie.

But the fantasies are even worse than the lies. Because next to all the lies were constant fantasy talk, how “Trad Youth” was going to “organize the working class” to create “vanguard cadres” and even “build radical subcultures” always willing to “take it to the streets” to “defends Whites against Antifa” and the like. There’s a years long internet record of dozens – hundreds perhaps – of internet handles predicting a “great economic collapse” after which TWP’s “cadres” will somehow step in to take control of at least local communities, if not an actual White ethno-state carved out of some rural areas of North America.

This author feels completely justified in suggesting all that talk was just fantasy – if not a more precise term – “bullshit.”

Lest anyone think I’m taking sides, this writer has always been highly skeptical of another faction – that of Andrew Anglin’s “Daily Stormer” and Mike Enoch’s “The Right Stuff.” When I first discovered the sites a few years ago, I at first laughed at the trollish racist comedy of Daily Stormer and even appreciated some more serious ideas at The Right Stuff. But a year or so in, at least for me, the comedy grew pretty stale. Old enough to remember the founding of 4Chan’s /pol/ – or even Weev’s old Encyclopedia Dramatica – there was no new ground being broken here. Such “edgy” humor has been around forver, and is in fact, utterly mainstream. One wonders if mainstream comedians like Daniel Tosh sometimes post on Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff, a lot of his jokes being essentially the same kind of humor – just instead of being regulated to the backwaters of the internet, he’s broadcast on mainstream cable stations. As far as I know, the media doesn’t breathlessly scaremonger about “hateful racists” like Daniel Tosh when he’s mocking Blacks and Jews and playing up his “hipster racist” character to thousands of laughing Whites in Southern California.

In 2016, Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute held a conference in Washington DC with luminaries of the pro-White movement like Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, and Phil Brimelow. The speakers gave inspirational and informative talks about the situation Whites find ourselves in, and laid out a cautious, yet hopeful vision for the future.

Then, inexplicably, in an event that has been rehashed so many times I hesitate to bring it up again, Mike Enoch from The Right Stuff decided to give a “Nazi Salute” during Spencer’s closing speech which was caught on the cameras of The Atlantic, who had – just as inexplicably – been invited to film the event by Richard Spencer himself. Immediately, Spencer’s “Alt Right” went from a presumably new political movement, closely tied to the Trump campaign, that had promised at least some influence in the new administration and a future as at least a serious think tank putting out white papers to influence public policy – to a sinister “neo-Nazi” movement.

Half of the pro-White blogosphere denounced what was dubbed “Hailgate” only to be immediately “trolled” by denizens of the Daily Stormer and the Right Stuff, who posted comment after comment calling people “faggots” and half-jokingly, half-seriously, demanding that White men immediately embrace “Nazi” flags, uniforms, salutes, and even Adolph Hitler himself, or be a “cuck.”

For hours and even days at a time, denizens of these webistes – including some older movement veterans – held forth on the future of Whites being dependent on an embrace of not only the memory of Adolph Hitler and the NSDAP regime, but of 1960s media “activist” (and FBI informant) George Lincoln Rockwell. Time and time again, internet commenters claiming to be “youth” denounced those wary of such a “strategy” of being “boomers” and totally un-hip with the young.

In March of 2018, the same commenters from the Daily Stormer and the Right Stuff have decided that maybe an open embrace of “neo-Nazism” isn’t such a good idea and some have even decided to embrace, instead, an “American” White Nationalism, complete with cool “Alt Right” cartoons of George Washington in sunglasses – or Pepe the Frog with a Ben Franklin wig.

Likely, the massive de-platforming of sites like the Daily Stormer and the banning of hundreds of high profile (and not so high profile – like this author) from social media like Twitter prompted this change of “strategy” but one can’t help but wonder:

Wasn’t all of this easily predictable? As a recent article at the Occidental Observer put it, Why Hand Your Enemies A Club With Which To Beat You?”

I’m going to state a few of my opinions and open it up to the peanut gallery.

1. The vast majority of “Alt Right” and “White Nationalist” activists – from Matt Heimbach and Matt Parrott, to Andrew Anglin and “Weev,” to old stalwarts like Harold Covington and the majority of commenters at sites like Stormfront.org are, to put a fine point on it, liars that are full of shit. They lie through their teeth about what their “activism” actually entails and they do little but spin wild and ridiculous fantasies about the future of White people in North America – and the world – and how their “activism” is supposed to bring such fantasies about.

2. Credible, intelligent, and otherwise effective pro-Whites – like Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, Paul Ramsey, and Peter Brimelow – are ill served by “the movement” in general and would likely be more effective by simply maintaining a distance – if not openly denouncing – what I call “clown groups” from the “neo-Nazis” of the NSM and Trad Youth, to the “online activists” like the Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff – no matter how big their audience appears be. (This is even more important considering that their major manager, “Weev,” has openly revealed that his previous career in managing “click bait” is how he measures success. The science of getting people to click on a link online is pretty well known these days: “You Won’t Believe These 10 Things You Can Do To Stop The Jews!” But as anyone can tell you, online traffic can be high quality – in the sense it actually closes a deal – or empty traffic, gaining a eyeball for a second or two. Low quality internet traffic is essentially a multi-level marketing system, advertisers passing traffic from one spam site to another – using the same tactic that was called “the Greater Fool Theory” when playing “hot potato” with dot-com internet stocks in the 1990s.)

3. I wouldn’t be Hipster Racist and this wouldn’t be Aryan Skynet if I didn’t point out that a huge part of this “movement” is in fact run by Jews, Jewish groups like the ADL and the SPLC, and the FBI itself, One can see this constant trend by simply tracing the history from George Lincoln Rockwell in the 1960s, to Frances Cohen (alias “Frank Colin”) in the 1970s, to Andrew Greenbaum (alias “Command Wolfgang Hawke”) in the 1990s, to the FBI’s Hal Turner in the 2000s, to the Daily Stormer’s Joshua Goldberg (alias “Michael Slay”) from just a few years ago.

In closing, despite the critiques this writer gets online for being a “alt lite faggot cuck” and a “Divide and Conquer Hasbara agent” to the Right Stuff’s Mike Enoch (and presumably his former co-star of the Right Stuff, and his current Jewish wife Mrs. Enoch) saying I “may as well be a Jew” because I think “everything is a false flag” I gotta say, I’m fine with my role as a third rate blogger and constant skeptic of internet and media “activists.”

I think the vast majority of them are just play actors – LARPers – online and off. I view anyone that gets a lot of media attention, especially when it fits the anti-White narrative, with extreme suspicion. I cringe when I read people telling me that George Lincoln Rockwell was an “effective activist” or how we’re just a year or two away from “a total economic collapse” and a “massive race war” or that whatever happened 75 years ago during Adolph Hitler’s NSDAP regime in Germany is somehow relevant today.

You may read this as a “Black Pill” – and I am pretty damned “Black Pilled” about the “Alt Right” of Richard Spencer and the “White Nationalism” – 1.0 or 2.0 – of everyone from Daily Stormer/Right Stuff to Derek Black’s Stormfront.org. I’ve never really been a part of their movement.

But I’m still pretty damned “White Pilled” when it comes to the future of White people. Believe it or not – we’re not going anywhere. In North America, White people will rule the USA and Canada for my lifetime, the lifetime of my children, and I suspect even the lifetime of my grandchildren. What happens after that is up to future generations.

But I gotta say, I’d really rather laugh along with “hipster racists” like Daniel Tosh than engage in paranoid fantasy – and utter bullshit – of “the movement.”

I’ve just never really been part of it, and having observed it over the last few years, can’t say I have much interest in it. I’ll skip the labels and just be “pro-White.”

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160 comments on “Bullshit: A Rant & An Open Thread

  1. Pingback: Bullshit: A Rant & An Open Thread | Hipster Racist

  2. bob saffron
    March 16, 2018

    I owe you 2oz of silver for being pessimistic about the state of the economy over the last year. Timing is everything, and the chicken gizzards I read wrong. Sackcloth for late ’18!

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 16, 2018

      @BobSaffron

      I always win that bet.

      I tell you what, silver is at $16.42 right now – that’s $32.84. What say you join AryanSkynet as a writer and pay for a hosting account for a year (less than $10.00) and a domain ($15.00) so we can ramp up. The self-destruction of the Alt Right over the last year, and the fact that the pro-Trump shills have utterly discredited themselves, should give us just a bit of publicity considering how correct we’ve been on our predictions. You can post all the libertarian Austrian school stuff you want.

      I wish that Brandon guy would post more, he’s on Gab.ai agreeing with me half the time.

      Send me an email.

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  3. bob saffron
    March 16, 2018

    One can argue over whether Jared Taylor’s Jewish strategy is wise, on balance, or not, but his demeanor and discipline are never less than irreproachable. Ad hominem, the media’s stock in trade, doesn’t find in him an easy target.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 16, 2018

      Jared Taylor shared a stage with Kevin MacDonald, invited RamZPaul – who has NEVER shied away from dealing with Jewish double-standards – to speak at his conference, and even had David Duke there a while back.

      My suspicion is that Taylor believes what he says – “Jews can be men of the West” – nevertheless knows the deal, just wants to keep out the cranks. As counter-semitic as I am – I’m fully in the Kevin MacDonald school – I’ll be the first to admit counter-semitism attracts cranks and freaks. Taylor can and is effective by letting others, like KMac, deal with that problem.

      Kevin MacDonald himself as said he wishes he could restrict discussion of the Jewish problem to people with IQs over 120. I understand exactly what he means.

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      • curri
        March 17, 2018

        All fine fellows. But Jared Taylor is a genial but humorless stiff who got nowhere in 25 years of pro-white activism. His conferences only started to attract large, non-geriatric crowds AFTER the emergence of the Alt-Right or whatever you want to call it. Derbyshire, writing in 2007, famously referred to the conferences as a collection of “latrine flies.”

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @curri

        You’re right, Taylor got us nowhere. What we need is Andrew Anglin and Matt Heimbach to GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW! Let me go get my armband.

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      • WhiteZombie
        March 17, 2018

        It the choice is not Nazis or Mr Respectable Conservative White Nationalist. There is a middle way.

        The thing that irritates me about Taylor is he won’t say White Genocide. I could put him on a torture rack and his back would break before he’d say it. If he does address the issue, he waters it down so much the people who use his talking points won’t change a thing. He is wasting their time.

        He calls Genocide according to the letter of UN Law “displacement” or “replacement”. He is an educated man. He full well knows what UN law says. Genocide need not be violent. Genocide is PURPOSELY bringing about the end of a group. Taylor is talking B.S. with that “replacement”/”displacement” nonsense and he knows it.

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      • Karen T
        April 1, 2018

        Here in Canada our PM Zoolander with his constant virtue signaling, and weepy apologies for every wrong committed by Whites in the past two hundred years has inadvertantly,through blowback, brought more people to a pro-White stance than Kevin Macdonald, Jared Taylor and Andrew Anglin combined.

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  4. bob saffron
    March 16, 2018

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Palestinian cause is strongest among Westerners when it plays underdog. The child throwing rocks at a tank is manna to BDS and similar. Unfairness no amount of sophistry can scrub out. The underdog’s got plenty of upside closer to home, too.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 16, 2018

      It’s literally the thin end of the wedge at exposing Jewish double standards and anti-whiteness – and notice that the biggest baddest “Alt Right Neo-Nazis” never even mention the issue. The “Alt Right/Daily Stormer” thing is basically a form of Likud astroturfing. I’m not even the only one to have pointed that out – that’s been pointed out in very mainstream venues for a while now.

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      • Mike R
        March 17, 2018

        The ongoing TRS Charlottesville lawsuit is going to end up publicizing their every donor, member, and affiliate. The blowback from that is likely to end white nationalist politics for a while. I expect that to be timed so as to coincide with another crestfallen moment, probably Cantwell going back to prison. Expect the shuttering of Spencer’s AltRight.com and RedIce to follow. Daily Stormer and Counter Currents will be the last to go. All will be a memory by 2p2p.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        #DailyStormer was censored just long enough to give it world wide publicity in the mainstream media, now it’s right back on the front page of Google.com – hilarious that fanbois still believe Anglin is successfully “hiding” from process servers. Teenage boys will believe anything. #GreatScam

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Mike R – no one actually gives a shit about Chris Cantwell, he was a johnny-come-lately and self-destructed the second he got the spotlight.

        For those gloating – I can assure them that White Identity isn’t going away – the death of the fake AR/WN movement means White Identity goes mainstream, right into the GOP itself. If Trump runs for reelection he’ll win, and if not some other White male Republican will. Fauxcohantaus or some brown lady aren’t going to bring the Democrats back.

        Also Counter-Currents isn’t going away and I seriously doubt Red Ice is either.

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        Anglin’s managed to blend into the expat crowd, naturally, and the authorities are too gormless to figure out who he is and what his trade is. SS: 1, SSS:0.
        http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/nigeria-iran-backed-terrorists-planned-to-hit-chabad-house

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @bob saffron

        Anglin’s managed to blend into the expat crowd, naturally, and the authorities are too gormless to figure out who he is

        You don’t really believe that do you? It’s just a ridiculous as Andrew “Weev” Aurenheimer pretending that he’s running the world’s #1 Neo-Nazi site from Eastern Europe without some sort of state sponsorship.

        I mean – it’s a hell of a story, isn’t it? “Leet Haxx0r Runs World’s #1 Neo-Nazi Site from a posh Cafe in Ukraine and the Authorities Just Can’t Find Him!”

        It’s absurd, it is as I put it: Bullshit. Anglin & Weev are obviously not being sought by the authorities. If they were, they would have been caught and arrested already.

        Let’s stop pulling each other’s dicks here. The Daily Stormer’s short lived censorship lasted just long enough to get them world wide media attention – now they are right back on the front page of Google.

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      • Mike R
        March 17, 2018

        Hipster-

        I’m shocked to read that GOP shtick from you. Everyone knows the DNC is and always will be the party of real power. The GOP can’t tie their own shoes. And of course all of those alt-right “movement,” websites are props, but their undoing isn’t going to mainstream white anything. What it will do is put the kibosh on this hillbilly prole rebellion and let the realpolitik take place.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Mike R

        The GOP and the DNC are nothing more than shifting coalition of groups that have the real power. In fact, electorally, the GOP tends to have an advantage because of the electoral college and the local nature of a lot of government positions.

        You say the GOP “can’t tie their own shoes” – well, I disagree. The GOP – and Trump – just passed a massive “banking reform” bill that is, of course, a massive hand out to the financial industry. The GOP is a very effective, very efficient machine that advances their interests all the time.

        It’s just that the GOP party isn’t interested in what the GOP voters think. It’s hardly different with the DNC.

        There is no “hillbilly prole rebellion.” Remember, Trump’s voters were slightly above average income. The rebellion will come from White, middle class men – plenty of them not “conservative” in any way. Hell – the Berniebros are *this close* to coming to the pro-White side.

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        Yeah, I was joking. I though he was supposed to be in Nigeria, but the irony is just as appropriate were he in Ukraine. Reality is less Len Deighton and more Hunted.
        https://tinyurl.com/hoygx7a

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @bob saffron

        Anglin’s gimmick about being in Nigeria is obviously a joke, but we’re supposed to believe that Weev is in Eastern Europe somewhere – after his time spent in Beruit (spook central) – you know, fighting “The Jew” along with the Arabs.

        It’s a great story, real James Bond stuff. Hell I used to write similar fiction, but I admitted it’s fiction.

        If Weev is really in Eastern Europe – well, that means the Daily Stormer is a state-sponsored site. The question is, what state is sponsoring it?

        Considering that the Daily Stormer a) publishes Jews, b) has been run out of the New York City apartment of Weev’s Jewish friend Alex Pilosov and c) the little white girl that was raped by one of the Daily Stormer’s financial backers described him as “not really white” and “middle eastern looking” …

        … well, I have a guess which state is sponsoring Anglin and Weev! Two guesses, the first one doesn’t count…

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  5. BJ
    March 17, 2018

    When someone is so exceedingly bad at what they do and it goes on for so long, you have to start asking if they are really that dumb, or are just being sneaky. There is no other political movement on the planet that is as bad at politics as they are, so you have to start asking the question.

    I came to smell a rat when they went in so hard for Zio-Trump, after spending their entire careers making money warning us about Jews. For me their credibility is shot. I don’t believe they believe what they are selling.

    They write these articles that excite a certain demographic, that sends them money and have the SPLC on speed dial, because they know the SPLC is the gateway to the Jew media. The more they get on the televitz doing their routines, the more free money drops on their doorsteps, so they think it is working. It is a vicious cycle. I blame the money raising.

    I also notice they don’t criticize the SPLC in ways that would truly hurt it. Every time the SPLC does one of their people in, or they do themselves in through retardation, they just whine that the SPLC are such meanies! They never write articles pointing out the SPLC raise their 10s of millions using tax fraud. No money raising “Leader” breathes a word of it. If they did, the SPLC wouldn’t return their calls.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @BJ

      Yeah, pretty much. It’s all so obvious isn’t it?

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    • Tom Rogers
      March 17, 2018

      But isn’t the support for Trump just practical politics? It seems a bit obtuse to criticise the Alt Right for generally supporting Trump when the rationale for doing so is plainly obviously. And it wasn’t unconditional support, the exigent rationale was plainly stated.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        *plainly obvious

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Some versions of support for Trump were practical politics. Some support for Trump were counter-productive.

        So, saying “I support Trump because I think he’ll do something about immigration and he won’t put up with this anti-white political correctness.” That’s great practical politics.

        But, “Don’t criticize Trump’s speech at AIPAC! Don’t talk about race, you’re going to ruin it for Trump! He’s playing 4-D chess, based black guys and I love Israel. God-Emperor Trump!”

        All of that was cringe-worthy and counter-productive.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        @ Hipster Racist

        I think your assessment lacks refinement.
        Ironically, you are showing the same analytical flaw as the people you criticise.

        I’m not aware of anybody making the second type of statement, but even if they did during the GOP primaries or the general election campaign, again, right or wrong, isn’t that just practical politics?

        If those statements are made now, that might be an indicator of unthinking intolerance in some cases, but isn’t it also necessary to acknowledge that Trump is playing a different sort of game to the Alt Right, with different objectives? Trump is not a nationalist proper, more like a neoconservative with strong civic patriotic instincts that dovetail with racial and ethnonationalists. That being the case, and in the absence of other options, it makes sense to support Trump, if only on the basis that the ‘mood music’ of his presidency assists in normalising a pro-white type of narrative, even if Trump himself is not pro-white.

        Nobody pretends that Trump is going to bring about a white ethnostate by 9.35 p.m. tomorrow. Rather, the Alt Right has broadly supported him, and continues to do so, for purely pragmatic reasons. This seems to me to make sense, and even if there are holes and flaws in this attitude, I’m not minded to go to town assailing the judgement of people who hold to it. After all, we don’t have better options at Trump’s level of the game. Let’s be honest with each other – nationalists in the United States, and in my country, Britain, can’t even persuade the public to elect them to organise the weekly rubbish collection.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Well those are the exact talking points we got through the campaign and we’re getting a lot now.

        An example: Bob Whitaker was running for President – of course he wasn’t going to win, the point was the leverage the campaign to get pro-White talking points out there. Some prominent people decided that instead of helping push pro-White talking points via his campaign, they would get on the Trump train.

        OK – use Trump’s campaign to push pro-White talking points? Great idea. That could have worked. But instead of using Trump’s campaign to push pro-White talking points, they used Trump’s campaign as an excuse to discipline pro-Whites and shut them up, as it might “hurt Trump’s chances.”

        Which is pretty silly, because after all, Trump’s a billionaire, with massive media coverage. Nothing we say or do is going to change that much. Trump is now the President of the USA. “Supporting” Trump rhetorically isn’t going to get us anywhere.

        If Trump does something pro-White, we cheer him on. When he does something anti-White, we attack.

        We want Trump to work for *us* – we don’t want to work for *him*

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  6. icareviews
    March 17, 2018

    Reblogged this on icareviews and commented:

    Hipster Racist weighs in on the latest Alt-Right drama.

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  7. What is the point of “optics”? There is no law. The “law” is just a “Jew” using a “minority” to attack White people. Even a benign sign like “Its OK to be White.” is supposedly “illegal”. The Synagogue of Satan will lose. They always lose. No one is really on their side. Look at California, and see the future. After bringing in Mexicans for decades, Senator Feinstein is gonna have to pack her carpetbags. She is being replaced by La Raza. The Mestizos will not bow to them. The blacks are EXACTLY THE SAME. Idi Amin did not play along after he gained power. After all the flattery about being “The Last King of Scotland”, he no longer complied after gainly power.
    The Synagogue of Satan is DELUDED. They have no REAL FOLLOWERS. These dark skins aren’t gonna follow them and bow. When they have the numbers, the carpetbaggers will either FLEE or be ANNIHILATED. Senator Feinstein will run. Any of her tribe that doesn’t will BE LEFT BEHIND. And so it goes. This is what THEY ALWAYS DO. It has happened time and again.

    THEY NEVER LEARN. DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR. CHILDISH FANTASIES OF HAVING DARK SKINNED SLAVES. IT NEVER WORKS. IT CANNOT WORK.

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    • Looks Don't Matter
      March 17, 2018

      If optics don’t matter, why dress up in a costume from the 1930s and talk like a two dimensional Nazi character from a Hollywood movie? Who are they trying to impress when they do that?

      Clearly optics do matter to the (((Optics Don’t Matter Crew))), otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to impress who ever they are trying to impress, when they create their Halloween costumes and put on the 2D Nazi ‘tude.

      White people don’t behave like that in real life. It is how Jews who don’t know any White people, think White behave. It is a Jewish caricature of White people and it isn’t convincing.

      Someone who did not care about optics, would just throw on the normal clothes they wear every day and go to a demonstration, and act like White people do because they aren’t be trying to impress anyone. While the (((Optics Don’t Matter Crew))) are clearly dressing to impress someone. But who are they trying to impress? It isn’t White people. White people are not impressed.

      The (((Optics Don’t Matter Crew))) reminded of women getting treatments in beauty saloons, who insist they don’t care if their future partner is black or white, because “looks don’t matter.” That is B.S.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Looks Don’t Matter

        It’s actually amazing how many of the Anime Nazis sound exactly like Israelis. Just go read that Washington Post article about AIPAC I posted in the “The CIA Strikes Back” thread and the comments.

        The DS/TRS types use the exact same tactics as the Israeli hasbara do: typically, personal attacks, smear, imputation of character flaws, gaslighting, etc. I don’t know a single person in real life that actually acts like a “Nazi” – but I can read Israeli hasbara talking points and just switch the “Jew/Nazi” labels and it reads exactly the same.

        Then I remember that this entire “movement” has been run by ADL/SPLC since the 1970s – that’s a well documented fact – and I realize, “well, of course they sound the same. They are the same.”

        Heimbach worked with Israelis in college. Anglin publishes Jew propagandists from SITE. Like Charlie Brown and the football, it doesn’t matter how many times Lucy snatches the ball away, he’ll always kick and land on his ass.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @Joshua Sinistar

      what is the point of “optics”?

      I assume you were trying to make some profound point about society, but you actually do know why “optics” are important, don’t you? Because no one – literally no one – can be so mind numbingly stupid as to actually not know why “optics” are important.

      So if I missed the joke, sorry. You wanna try again?

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  8. guest
    March 17, 2018

    Is there a path to salvation for Richard Spencer?

    The alt right podcast is still above the fray…

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @guest

      I think Spencer is going to stick to podcasting from now on, which is probably what he should have done in the first place.

      As for the rest of his “activist” career – eh – I think he’s peaked. I doubt he has any more tricks up his sleeve.

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      • guest
        March 17, 2018

        Podcasting and fox hunting!

        He always looks like he just returned from a hunt…

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        It’s a shame that Spencer, who can tie a Windsor knot and wears a suit comfortably, couldn’t direct his activism away from the street to the Street, Wall or Threadneedle. Even the smallest purchase of shares gets you an invite to the Annual Meeting, and if you can dress like a professional you can put questions – unvetted – to the
        Board. And get it taped. Questions on their anti-white ad campaigns, image etc..

        There’s no arrest if you’re civil, no permit required. It’s a good way to make directors An individual can pull it off without compromising an entire group. Mind you, whites at some point will also do group corporate activism.

        https://shareaction.org/what-we-do/

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        “It’s a good way to make directors squirm“. Sorry.

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        Seeing Spencer confront anti-fa in a suit was very Yobs and Snobs.

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      • Bill Richardson
        March 18, 2018

        @bob saffron
        That is an excellent idea Bob. Now if only we could convince Spencer to say White Genocide, he could be shoving a hot poker down the throat of The Beast, while sipping champagne and snacking on caviar.

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    • Mike R
      March 17, 2018

      Spencer needs to come home and get involved in Progressive politics. He has the perfect pedigree for the role and could easily leverage some kind of redemption arc anti-racist messaging to get a toe-hold somewhere. Dispense with all the white empire talk and just push for single payer healthcare, a New Deal program, pro-natal legislation, etc. He is wasting his time otherwise.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Mike R

        “Anti-racist?” Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-white.

        Are you pro-White?

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      • Mike R
        March 17, 2018

        I’m suggesting pro-white politics can be smuggled into the DNC by someone like Spencer. They would have to be outwardly anti-racist at the present time, but it wouldn’t stop them from pushing agenda items designed to be pro-white.

        Minorities already have universal healthcare, make work jobs, and breed as they please.

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  9. curri
    March 17, 2018

    “In North America, White people will rule the USA and Canada for my lifetime, the lifetime of my children, and I suspect even the lifetime of my grandchildren.”

    You think white people rule the US today? If so, they’re very degenerate and Judaized whites (and their lackeys) who need to be sent to the proverbial gas chambers. I’m even excluding the apparently small land somewhat less Judaized true-believing clique (including Stephen Miller!) around Trump.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @curri

      Are you married to a White woman with white children?

      No? Yet you are going to whine about degenerates and talk about gas chambers?

      Fuck off back to the Daily Stormer, kid, the adults are talking.

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      • curri
        March 17, 2018

        You”re going to win the Battle of the Cradle? I can see you’re a bigger fake than Anglin or Heimbach.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @curri

        No, I’m pointing out that you’re a young kid, with no skin in the game, and whining about “degeneracy” is typically the tell.

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      • guest
        March 17, 2018

        That Israeli water engineer i read said a real jew is only someone with jewish grandkids, makes you think…

        We should apply the same lesson, because it literally boils down to the cradle.

        Are you really really white, if you have no, or god forbid mixed race offspring?

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      • 14sonnenrad88
        June 4, 2018

        It literally boils down to the cradel

        That is what bothers me the most about DS & TRS. All the whining about kikes, yet the solution is simple: have white babies and raise them well. But alas the book clubs and pool parties would rather play drinking games and crack nibber jokes, while ale lamenting the fact no females want to f*ck them.

        Tell them to learn game and use it to land a relationship and see how quickly they will turn on you they will turn on you. “Men need solidarity, are you really going to defend these sloots?” As if men haven’t been correcting each other for all of human existence.

        I miss the days when being red pilled actually meant you knew how to get laid. Nothing but spergs and proles thinking they are so WOKE because they can notice the obvious about race now.

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      • Mike R
        March 17, 2018

        The sperg child is partially correct. Whites don’t rule North America, they share it with a lot of the top brown and esp. Jew talent. They run the state like a corporation and businesses is good but they have their eye on bigger things. It’s a shame the lowly knuckle daggers who got behind Trump can’t see that. Whites are tailor made to be elites over an inferior mass.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Mike R

        The people who rule America are White and Jewish. The Blacks and Browns in positions of power are little more than window dressing.

        I’m actually in the middle of writing an article about how this stuff works. Who knows, maybe you’ll find it educational. So check it tomorrow.

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  10. Afterthought
    March 17, 2018

    As I was reading I was like “yes, this is true”, “yes, this criticism applies to me as well,” “uh huh, yes”.

    And then I was getting excited to see the solution. When I saw the solution, which I interpret as “relax, we got this”, I was disappointed – it is jarring after all the analytical writing of the movement’s failures, not to have any road map to the future. Tasks we can do in the short term, medium term, and long term.

    I was looking at census maps and one could split the country into three sections:

    An East Coast that ends at the Appalachian mountains and add to that much of the black belt.

    A West Coast to the Cascades and Sierra Nevadas that swings down and captures much of the border overflow.

    A middle section that has access to the gulf of Mexico near Houston, moves northward through western Louisiana and Central Texas to the broad Midwest, Mountain West with a port north of Seattle, and though much of the Great Lakes moving east along the Canadian border to a port north of Massachusetts.

    The resultant nation will be mostly white at inception, and migration patterns will make it more and more white as time goes by. (Imagine what kind of economic power house would result in just a few generations from giving Afrikaners their own state, say, near Kansas!)

    We can start promoting this new nation in embryonic form now by incorporating such images and words into our every day language (see the Sapir Whorf hypothesis). All shocks to the system, political turmoil, and controversy would then have a collection point rather than have that emotional energy squandered as entropy or in a futile “take back America”.

    The legal system can start as a “fork” of the current legal system for minimal disruption, money can start as a one-to-one with the dollar and even be nominally backed by gold. Non binding elections privately organized can get people used to the political change in advance of the real deal, and can serve as a barometer of public opinion.

    Also, we can set up a crowd sourced polling firm that can provide information and answer questions helpful to our cause. Neighborhood level charities that can help people with yard work, dieting, computer / technical assistance, tool sharing, gardening, helpful classes etc etc etc can be the public face of the movement helping those too desperate to turn down help from anyone, even if they are taboo to the jet-set crowd. Alternative tech platforms can mirror the bifurcation of the old nation as our people migrate virtually as a prelude to political separation.

    Foreign policy can be based on stability within the international order and reciprocity. We can propose a Northern Alliance (our nation, Canada, Russia, Northern and Eastern Europe, and the British Isles, Iceland and Greenland. We can extend that to a “polar alliance” to include Australia and New Zealand. We will take a very hands off approach to conflicts elsewhere, seeking to trade where we can, but channeling our energy into defense, defusing conflicts elsewhere with soft power and going into space.

    It all starts with a consistent message.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @Afterthought

      Bob Whitaker already told us what the solution is, and he proved that it worked. There’s nothing more that I can add to it. The “movement” is what doesn’t work, so it needs to be discarded.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        @ Hipster Racist

        Can you produce some evidence that what Bob Whitaker did actually worked to a significant extent?

        I liked Bob Whitaker as a person: I had a few interactions with him online several years before his death. At the time I didn’t know about his stellar background and did not realise how accomplished he was, yet in his exchanges with me he was completely down-to-earth, generous, patient and unpretentious.

        But…his Mantra seems to me to be flawed in at least several ways. It’s inflexible and unresponsive, depends on people reading something that is quite lengthy and not misinterpreting it, and relies on people having a high impatience threshold as they are exposed to the Mantra again and again. In reality, people who use the Mantra in online discussions and newspaper comment threads just come across a bit like Jehovah’s Witnesses: dumb, robotic and annoying.

        There’s also the simple fact that the Mantra isn’t true. Asia for the Asians isn’t the reality anyway. Nor is Africa just reserved for Africans. Most Third World societies are heavily racially-mixed.

        However the root idea of a mantra is more sound, and was taken up by the Alt Right and became the sub-literate meme culture we have now – but that has its own shelf life and anyway isn’t real politics.

        I think the post from Afterthought illustrates another problem. He probably thinks he has come up with a plan, but he hasn’t. It’s just a dream. Like with Covington’s Northwest Front: not a plan, not a praxis, just a fantasy. To take another example: a prominent individual in the Movement thinks white British people should live in caravan sites. I pointed out to him that ordinary white British families won’t want to do that, and he got stroppy with me. Plans have to start from reality.

        The PLE Prospectus was the basis of possible plans, but PLE, and other types of conscious community-building, require pioneers, which means a critical mass of individuals willing to, either, up and move and go somewhere else or change the community where they already live. Except for two isolated places in southern Africa, this won’t happen. There isn’t the willingness. Varg Vikernes’ individualist-tribalist anarchism is a development on this. Varg seems to be saying: Do it on your own, then. His whole world-view relies on some sort of societal collapse to destroy our enemies while we rebuild traditionalist society in the countryside. True, all societies collapse eventually, but a metaphysical apocalypse is not a categorical imperative. The very ordinary and mundane flaw in his plan is, again, the lack of sufficient numbers of people willing (or even able) to emulate him, and also the possibility that a collapse might make things even worse from a white racial point-of-view.

        The larger reality is that we’ve lost. The enemy is in control of the state in every Western country. They can do what they want, but they can’t do everything they want, and there are two major in-built weaknesses in the system:

        (i). the ballot box is the system’s main Achilles heel. Mass democracy is, I agree, deeply flawed, but it can be turned from an instrument of ratifying the system to an instrument for overturning it.

        (ii). violence and civic disobedience of an organised kind will be necessary for the complete fulfilment of our goals. I personally regard Thomas Mair and Anders Breivik as heroic figures. Just to be clear, I am not advocating violence in the sense of a concrete plan or proposal, but I regard the acceptance of political violence as a critical psychological Rubicon: if you’re appalled by Breivik or Mair, then you’re not ready for a solution. The elites as a class are extremely vulnerable because their whereabouts are generally known. They know this themselves and they know that if what Mair did became an organised basis of resistance from fanatical whites, they would have to start making real and meaningful concessions.

        I believe in putting (i) and (ii) together: the Armalite & the ballot box. You can conclude from this that my criticism of Spencer’s ‘militancy’ does not come from any softness on my part, rather it arises from an acknowledgement that everything has its place. Anglin and weev have their place. Men with guns will one day have their place. Spencer, for his part, should have stayed in lane and focused on being ‘respectable’.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        “But…his Mantra seems to me to be flawed in at least several ways. It’s inflexible and unresponsive”

        That is just utterly untrue. The official long form “Mantra” was what it was, but it was paired with dozens of permutations – so called “mini-mantras” – that were ANYTHING but inflexible and unreponsible.

        Right here on this blog, I’ve posted at least a few posts of HUNDREDS of those “mini-mantras.” The entire POINT, in fact, of the mini-mantras was to be flexible and responsive.

        “There’s also the simple fact that the Mantra isn’t true”

        That is of course false. The people who the Mantra is targeting do NOT, ever demand that African open its borders to masses of non-Africans. Anti-whites do NOT demand that Asia open its borders to masses of non-Asians. The Mantra is absolutely true, that isn’t even in question at all. There are millions of examples of just that brand of anti-white rhetoric everywhere.

        You know, as for the rest about a “plan” – that is all just an excuse to NOT engage in attacking anti-Whites. That is Sargon of Akkad stuff. “Well, what is your plan if Godzilla attacks your White ethno-state? See? You don’t have a plan!”

        Or the typical, “well who is White anyway?” Or Alex Linder style trolling, “what are you going to do with all those non-Whites? You want to kill them right? Say you’re going to kill Black babies, otherwise you aren’t serious about your plan!”

        I do not have the responsibility to fix the entire world’s problems. It is not at all my responsibility to figure out how many divisions the Future White Ethno-State needs to protect its borders – nor is it my responsibility to figure out what those borders are.

        My job is to attack anti-Whites and spread pro-White ideas.

        If the early Zionists were told, “you can’t talk about Jewish identity until you come up with every single possible permutation of how to get there” – Israel would have never been founded.

        This is just another cause of using ideology as an excuse for White people to not be allowed to advocate for their own interests.

        “I personally regard Thomas Mair and Anders Breivik as heroic figures”

        OK, so you’re a LARPer that likes to be “hardcore.” Whatever, it’s not particularly relevant to me. As far as guns go – look, White men in American are the most heavily armed on the planet. It’s not a lack of guns that is our problem. We don’t lack for firepower.

        This is psychological warfare – it ain’t hot lead and cold steel.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        Sorry but I stand by what I have said about The Mantra. Having different versions does not make it ‘flexible’ in the sense I mean. My point is that it’s just a script.

        I don’t really understand what you’re on about with my point about ‘having a plan’, you seem to have gone a bit off-the-wall with that. I have nothing to do with Sargon of Akkad and actually loathe him, but my point is that you need a praxis.

        Regarding guns, I am not a “larper”. That’s jjust internet talk and not a response to what I actually said.

        Sorry, but I don’t respect people who respond in scripted internet memes and cliches like (typical examples) “cuck” and “larper”, etc. A discussion is a discussion. I’m not a 14 year old kid.

        I think part of the problem is American culture. I have to admit, I am anti-American and I don’t generally like Americans and I tend to find conversations with Americans run into this shallowness and arrogance that you all have. Larper???? What’s that? I’m a real person. I don’t post under a pseudonym. I have explained what I think and I give reasons.

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      • guest
        March 17, 2018

        Think of Bob as the pro-White Scott Adams.

        It’s all about persuasion and influence.

        You can’t show up empty handed…

        DREAMER does work doesn’t it?

        That’s enemy mantra, it’s genius.

        dreamer, i have a dream, dr king, are you racist?!

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        I don’t follow you. I actually don’t care much anyway. If the Mantra works, why don’t we see it? Maybe it doesn’t work, or maybe it does but the Alt Right is a conspiracy to stop techniques that work? At this point, I’m throwing up my hands and giving up.

        I base my view about it on experience: I would be embarrassed to use something as simple as The Mantra, and when I saw others use it, it didn’t have much impact and mostly just annoyed people.

        That, I reiterate, doesn’t mean I am arguing against the use of mantras.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        In America for the last decade, the Mantra has successfully infiltrated pro-White talking points into the mainstream – high profile mainstream media pundits like Tucker Carlson on FOX News uses “mini-mantras” all the time – he just did on his show last night.

        During the campaign, the number one conservative blowhard, Rush Limbaugh, used mantra talking points. Bill O’Reilly of FOX news used Mantra talking points. They are now everywhere – thanks to Whitaker, the BUGsters, and the White Rabbit folks.

        Maybe it’s an American thing – I don’t think the same types of propaganda necessarily translate between America and Europe – sometimes, not always. I’ve always said there should likely be a different focus on each side of the pond. Nationalism in Europe of course isn’t “white” – but in America that is the only nationalism we have. So different strokes for different folks, etc.

        Yes, the “Alt Right/WN” – or at least parts of it – are most certainly a kind of “conspiracy” to prevent pro-White ideas from going mainstream. I’ve spent the last half a decade, here and on other blogs, documenting that fact. I’ll continue to do so.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Oh, I don’t doubt that the Mantra has had some influence. I reiterate my respect for Bob Whitaker. I wasn’t knocking him. Maybe a better way for me to put the criticism would be that it worked for a time, but then had to be replaced with a more sophisticated memetic culture.

        Anyway, that aside, I am glad we agree about the American-British divide. Maybe that does explain it: I do cringe sometimes when I encounter some of the things American Alt Righters do. Most of it cannot work in Britain.

        Let me offer a relatively brief critique of that last paragraph. The obvious point in response, it seems to me, is that pro-white politics can never be mainstream. When I refer to Alt Right objectives becoming part of conservatism, I mean more in the implicit sense than the explicit. Think of the BNP in Britain during the Noughties. While they were constitutionally and formally pro-white, they didn’t spend all their time banging on about it. Instead, most of their time was spent campaigning on issues, and this worked. Hitler’s NSDAP is another obvious example. The National Socialist Program (i.e. the 25 Points) was framed in terms of mundane issues, and even the two or three points that touch on ethnic politics, are expressed in relation to concrete issues.

        The point I am getting at here is that I think it is internally acknowledged, if only tacitly, that the Alt Right will never pro se actualise its objectives, it’s just a strategem in which you galvanise a racially-conscious core to influence the mainstream. I agree that the next step has to be a move into the mainstream. I see Hitler’s NSDAP as the model to follow.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        I see Hitler’s NSDAP as the model to follow.

        So, even though explicit pro-White identity politics have not just been mainstream, but pretty much the core of all American politics since the early colonies, all the way up until the late 1960s, you’re suggesting that they can never be mainstream again – even though the TV monopoloy that pushed explicit pro-White politics out of the mainstream is over and they are having a lot of trouble corralling explicit White identity online…

        And you believe that Andrew Anglin is a completely sincere, not a troll, and that he’s got a serious following …

        And you think that Hitler’s NSDAP, a short lived political party from 75 years ago, before the age of TV …

        is the model American – or English – people should follow?

        Again, it’s like we live in completely different universes. This is far, far more than just the difference between America and Europe.

        If you are pro-White, that is great. So am I. But certainly you and I are not in any way part of any “movement” together. I’d never join any political party you were running, and I certainly wouldn’t expect you to join any political movement I was running.

        I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Again, you’ve completely misrepresented what I plainly stated. It’s almost as if you haven’t read anything I’ve said and you’ve just selectively picked up on a few words and phrases here and there.

        Can I respectfully suggest you calm yourself down and then go back and read my comment more carefully?

        Most white people are NOT racial. They don’t think like we do. They won’t visit a site like this. You can’t ‘educate’ them or ‘convince’ them. You have to ‘convince’ them to ‘vote’ along the lines we want through persuasion on issues that they think are relevant to them. That’s what they did.

        I am not suggesting we start wearing fancy dress and become the NSDAP again. Please read my comment properly. I’m talking about political thinking. Hitler’s NSDAP was guided by political thought, not by racial/ethnic thinking. That’s why they were successful.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        My point is that it’s just a script.

        Yes, which is why it’s so effective. The anti-whites have used talking points – a script – and won. The script was “white racism, hate, racist, white privilege” – repeated over and over again.

        If talking points and scripts don’t work – then why does Madison Avenue spend literally billions of dollars on scripts, talking points, jingles, etc?

        There’s 100 years of social research that proves you are wrong, and a billion dollar industry that wouldn’t exist if you were correct.

        I am anti-American

        OK, good luck.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        I’m not arguing against a ‘script’ per se: I’ve explained why I think the Mantra is flawed. I don’t want to go round in circles with it. My experience with it is very direct – I’ve seen it in action, and for whatever reason, it just annoys people.

        I also maintain my observation that the Mantra is not factually true (which is also an important flaw). Nobody has said that Africa should just be for the Africans or Asia should just be for Asians. In fact, those societies are racially-mixed. That is a major flaw in the Mantra, because it opens it to critiques. Whether it represents an accurate understanding of the Mantra is beside that point.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        Another point – I actually addressed the ubiquity of mantras and scripted messages in my own short critique of The Mantra. If you look back at what I said, I mentioned that while the Mantra itself had flaws and was widely criticised (which it why it wasn’t adopted), the root idea of a mantra was considered sound was taken up by the Alt Right.

        Maybe you just haven’t read my earlier comment properly?

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      • 14sonnenrad88
        June 4, 2018

        Oh come on, I know you can pat yourself on the back harder than that.

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      • Tom Rogers
        June 11, 2018

        You’re soooooo brave., making sarcastic comments from behind a plastic, made-up screen name that mocks National Socialism. It’s reassuring to see that white manliness has not died. Are you sure your Mummy did give you permission to post here, by the way?

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      • 14sonnenrad88
        July 10, 2018

        You just proved my point.

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      • bob saffron
        March 17, 2018

        It’s hard to take consolation from the neighbor’s gun skills when he won’t help you clean the gutters once a year.

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      • WhiteZombie
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers
        “But the Mantra doesn’t work!”

        Trump retweets White Genocide. Hillary whines about Whites talking about White Genocide and goes down in flames.

        White Genocide and anti-White is heard globally, including a big article in the Guardian just yesterday. White Genocide in South Africa, kept secret for all these years by the anti-White mass media, has just been blown wide open and an elected Australian government official has offered to save the Boer because of it.

        “But the Mantra isn’t true!”

        Meanwhile Japan is 98.5% Japanese and Africans are killing and purging the last remaining Whites out of Africa and White minority is predicted and celebrated in every White country!

        “But the Mantra isn’t flexible!”

        Each paragraph in the Mantra can be broken up and used as a talking point on its own. A mantra full of mini mantras? Wow!

        I was recruited from a guy repeating the first line over and over. It took me a year to finally get it but I did, so there is still hope for you Tom!

        BUGSers wrote answers for every anti-White talking point in existence. It wasn’t hard to do, because anti-Whites are mindless. They all say the same damned things.

        “But the Mantra makes me sound like a robot!”

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  11. Tom Rogers
    March 17, 2018

    What matters is the survival of the Alt Right’s objectives, which requires that GOP/mainstream conservatism becomes explicitly pro-white in whatever manner is acceptable in the mainstream. Paul Nehlen provides an example of how this could work: http://www.electnehlen.com/

    I’d always understood that that was what Spencer was trying to do, and that the next stage from about 2016 onward would be the development of a serious policy-making capacity, based around Washington, D.C. and the usual academic and intellectual circuits in the north-eastern United States. This would integrate the intellectual and practical sides of the movement to build a genuine American nationalist praxis. Plus, there would be the identification of local government wards and congressional districts in white working class areas that might be ripe for infiltration and takeover under a GOP or Democratic banner, etc.

    In hindsight, we can see that the so-called ‘Hailgate’ scandal was perhaps a crucial turning point. Spencer went down a more militant path soon after, cosying up to Anglin, etc. and people like him. Not that I have an issue with Anglin strategically. I think his neo-Alynskyite tactics have their place and TDS serves a purpose, it’s just not alongside Spencer and the ‘respectable’ side of the Movement.

    As a result of Spencer’s tactical volte face, the Alt Right has become Janus-like. Even on Nehlen’s campaign website, genuine nationalist-conservative positions on the issues (a good thing in the context of appealing to Joe and Jane Bloggs) sit alongside inward-facing militant posturing (a bad thing). Virtual activism and all the linguistic offshoots from it will only take you so far. The nature of the real-world demos (e.g. Charlottesville) reflect the type of person attracted to virtual/online activism, and do not appeal to ordinary people – which matters as, presumably, the Alt Right is based on a liberal-democratic premise.

    Turning to my own country, I don’t believe the Alt Right has much applicability here in Britain. We have hate speech laws, etc. Party discipline is rigid. Whites are also more ethnically-homogeneous here, we are not ‘white nationalists’. Britain will require its own solution.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      @Tom Rogers

      which requires that GOP/mainstream conservatism becomes explicitly pro-white in whatever manner is acceptable in the mainstream.

      I agree with this 100% (although GOP/conservatism is just happenstance, there is nothing inherently pro-White about the GOP or conservatism, it’s just more Whites are there now.)

      Paul Neheln – it’s a tragedy. Over the course of a few weeks, he went from a serious mainstream pro-White politician to a cranky internet troll, ruining his chance of staying mainstream. He essentially had his own “Hailgate.”

      And in both cases – Spencer, and Nehlen, the exact same “mistake” was made. In order to appeal to a coordinated astro-turf campaign (i.e., Daily Stormer and Weev) both men, Spencer and Nehlen, went off message, off track, and wound up marginalizing themselves.

      The NRx types made a similar mistake when they wrongly assumed that the “Gamergate” thing was an actual “movement” they could appeal to.

      As I pointed out in the rant – Anglin/Weev are just marketers – clickbait. Neither are pro-white – it’s not even real “anti-semitism.” As Liddell pointed out, it’s basically porn – it appeals to young, disenfranchised frustrated White boys and gives them a way to “jack off” online, to relieve some of that pressure. It’s counter-productive – it actually SAPS the energy of those boys and makes it so they won’t – can’t – do anything actually pro-White.

      More importantly – people just forget that the fans of Anglin/Weev are still relatively few in number. Sure, they get more hits than Stormfront, but Stormfront was always fringe too.

      We’d be better off, as you say, NOT appealing to the “inside” by circle jerking with the lame and fake “movement.” We really should be focusing our efforts OUTSIDE.

      But this is how the Weev/Anglin hasbara machine works – when you try to appeal to normal Whites, they will send their trolls over to, essentially, fart in church. It is in the interests of Anglin and Weev to make sure that pro-Whiteness NEVER goes mainstream – because if pro-Whiteness goes mainstream, they lose their audience because their entire gimmick is gone.

      Considering the developments of the last couple of years, I don’t understand how people can still say that Anglin and Weev “have their place.” Their entire purpose is to destroy any mainstream, pro-White movement. Heimbach himself used to be somewhat honest about it.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 17, 2018

        @ Hipster Racist

        Conservative Rebellion: that’s what I call the next stage, a broad-based political movement under a pan-traditionalist umbrella. Pro-white forces colonising the mainstream Right and friendlier areas of the mainstream Left. It need not even be explicitly racial, but both conservatism and liberalism are, in my view, implicitly white, it’s just that their meaning has been evacuated and the terminology has been bastardised by imposed diversity. Liberalism, in particular, is synonymous with reaction – for one thing, you can’t be reactionary unless you prioritise the individual in certain senses. A totalitarian society, for instance, cannot be reactionary. I refer here to both an English and Anglo-American point-of-view.

        I think libertarianism has potential. Yes, dogmatic contractual libertarianism is, at the least, unhelpful to us, but conservative and palaeo-libertarianism is implicitly pro-white. Non-whites within the situation of Western societies tend to be hostile to any proposal that would reduce the reach of the state.

        I believe in embracing complex strategies and creative tensions, and I am personally not convinced that Anglin himself is a spy. The reason for this is partly that I have studied his site in some depth and I regularly read it, and I have had exchanges with him in the comment threads, and over time the impression I have formed of him is of somebody who is very serious about what he is doing. Let’s put it this way – if he is an agent, then he’s a bloody good actor. He should be at the Oscars or maybe feeling up Harvey Weinstein’s cactus. But whatever he is, the online counter-culture that he has helped build must have a limited shelf life. Anything that depends on trends will start to look tired.

        Where I do agree is that some people within the Alt Right don’t always realise that much of the militant stuff a la Anglin and Heimbach is just a replay and a re-recording of what happened in the 1980s, when the same sort of people could be heard saying: “We’re almost there! America [or Britain, or wherever] will collapse in five years!” The only difference now is that the worldwide web allows them to keep very many more souls in their idiot pens, but the principle is the same.

        And yes, they are idiot pens. But even if it turns out that Anglin is up to no good, I would still endorse his tactics. They do work, the memetic culture has had an impact on the mainstream, even if only marginal and not causative; and so even if Anglin is a government or SPLC agent, his handlers will have been taking a huge (and in my view, very foolish) risk in running such an operation.

        My attitude is that if these governments and Jewish organisations in America and Britain and elsewhere are foolish enough to use agents, then that’s fine with me. Let’s use them! Let’s manipulate them for their own ends. Carry on promoting National Socialism, Mister Anglin! And thank you very much! Please thank Izzy and Helga from me. Yes, the propaganda might be self-marginalising, but remember that those who are not responsive to it will tend to ignore it anyway.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        For the most part I can agree with a lot of your strategy, on conservatism, liberalism, non-dogmatic versions of libertarianism, etc.

        I have had exchanges with him in the comment threads, and over time the impression I have formed of him is of somebody who is very serious about what he is doing. Let’s put it this way – if he is an agent, then he’s a bloody good actor.

        Have you ever read Anglin’s first draft of the Daily Stormer called “Total Fascism?” I suggest looking it up on Archive.org. You’ll see what is essentially a marketing study – trying out various slogans, trying to form a network with other blogs. This was just a few years ago – I think he ran it for a year before Daily Stormer started.

        Anglin comes across as a complete “troll” – not in the slightest bit sincere about anything. The language is carefully crafted – more like a PR thing. One giveaway was that he was promoting “all races unite against The Jew” – that isn’t something that comes from any pro-White place – that is a stereotype created by the ADL.

        I’m not going to say that Anglin is an “agent” – that is an imprecise term. I’ve read a lot of Anglin’s stuff – including when he is somewhat out of character – and I guess I just get a 100% completely different vibe. I’d point out that Anglin is an American from Ohio – just a few years younger than me. He comes from a family background similar to mine. We are from about the same class and about the same religious background.

        My impression? Anglin is a not-particularly-smart guy playing a role. More importantly, “Andrew Anglin” is a character that is pretty obviously written by more than one person. Maybe there is a cultural difference and a linguistic difference – but I can say that I WAS an Anglin/Weev type troll 20 years ago. I can recognize the language patterns, everything.

        “Agent” – no that is putting to fine a point on it. I would say it’s pretty damn obvious he is not the brains behind Daily Stormer, it is not in any way “crowd-funded” by donations – that’s laughable, utterly absurd.

        Weev is somewhat similar. I’ve known of Weev’s online personas for, damn, 15 years now? I’ve watched Weev go in and out of character, change his persona and ideas, a half dozen times now.

        “Agents?” No, they are more like “actors” and “entertainers.” I wouldn’t think that Anglin even really controls his sockpuppet army. It’s quite possible that Anglin – not the sharpest knife in the drawer – really believes that it’s all just a sort of natural phenomenon.

        Weev – a lot smarter – has been pretty honest lately about what he’s doing. He uses very typical internet marketing techniques to get click bait and build an audience.

        I find something really interesting though. Young kids – and older people, boomers, are the ones that take Anglin and Weev at face value. The teens and early 20 somethings that form his base take him at face value. And those who are 45+ or boomers, also seem to take Anglin and Weev at face value. They seem to think, “well that is just sort of how these kids are these days.”

        I’m closer to Anglin’s age – he’s about the age of my little brother. His gimmick, his style, his bullshit – it comes through to me loud and clear. I notice that other Gen X types are ALSO quite suspicious of Anglin – RamZPaul, Liddell. No one in our age group seems to buy the act – both those much older – and much younger – do.

        I find that to be an interesting fact.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Actually I did read Total Fascism and I was one of the first readers of Anglin’s TDS website, so I’ve followed him pretty much all along. Obviously I don’t know him, I’ve never met him, and I’m not his friend, and I don’t care to be, but my impression of him is quite different. For one thing, it’s very obvious to me that he is highly intelligent – an IQ probably at least in the 120-125 range – and he is very serious about what he is doing. I can’t say for sure that he is not a disinformation agent, nor can I say for sure that he is completely sincere deep down, but then we start getting into futile avenues of inquiry, as you rightly acknowledge. How do you know I’m not an agent? How do I know you’re not? Etc., etc. How do we know what’s going on in Anglin’s head? As I said in one of my other replies, I think the best approach to this sort of thing is a combination of wissenschaftliche Methoden and Occam’s razor. Does Anglin’s neo-Alynskism work according to the aims and objectives set down by Anglin? Yes, it plainly does. Will it always work and always be relevant? No, obviously not. Does Anglin also do harm to our Cause? Yes, obviously he does, but that doesn’t mean he is up to no good. There’s a price to pay, a trade-off, even with the most effective strategy. Of course, here I labour the obvious.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        I knew a kid, about 16, who convinced an adult man that he was a 30 year old woman and carried on an “online romance” with him for nearly a year. We all got to read the emails and chats and thought it was the most hilarious thing ever.

        Many people my age in the early years of the internet created all sorts of online personas – sometimes claiming to believe the exact opposite of what we really believed, and managed to convince all sorts of people – unless, perhaps, they themselves were just pretending to be convinced.

        If Total Fascism convinced you that Anglin was sincere, not an internet troll, well it just goes to show how lossy internet communication really is. I read it and immediately spotted it as a troll. You read it and thought it was the sincere fascist ideology of a serious, highly intelligent person.

        “Weev” used to pretend to be a follower of the Westboro Baptist Church, convinced at least a few people, before he admitted he was just trollin’ bro.

        Six months before Andrew Anglin started “Total Fascism” he was doing podcast interviews with Black guys talking about how he was against racism, thought that Jews were just smarter than other people which is why they were so powerful, and that anyone getting upset about race-mixing was just having a personal problem.

        And you believe – you’re absolutely convinced – that Anglin, within the space of six month, had some sort of sincere conversion from a typical “anti-racist” guy dating Asian girls into “Total Fascism.”

        Within six months.

        And the evidence of that is … his blog.

        Let’s just say I don’t buy it and really question the judgement of people that do.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        You’ve just completely misrepresented what I said. Anybody can see that I’m not convinced of anything in regard to this subject. Do you actually read people’s posts?

        As I have already stated, I am unconvinced that Anglin is enemy. That is a statement of tentativeness, not affirmativeness. It’s the best I can do because I’m not an agent of the NSA or a mind-reader.

        I would point out that people are complex and can change their views quite fundamentally very quickly. I was not always a Nationalist. How do you know I am not a spy? How do I know YOU’RE not a spy..?? We could go round in circles forever accusing each other. Who does it benefit? Surely it’s better to be rational about it, acknowledge where facts are uncovered while accepting that the only sane way to assess any individual is through the efficacy of his methods.

        That is how you cope with the inherent uncertainty, not by amplifying half-baked suspicions, but by assessing people on effectiveness and competence. We acknowledge that we just don’t know.

        The analogy you use of the 30 year old man, I don’t find very helpful or illuminating. We know who Anglin is. We’ve seen him. I have not seen you, however, and unlike Anglin, you hide behind a pseudonym. Why?

        Not that I am suggesting you are up to no good – what you do is your business –
        I’m just making the observation for illustration. There is a glaring double-standard in calling people spies, agents and ‘larpers’ from the relative comfort of pseudonymity.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        I don’t KNOW you’re not a “spy.”

        Online, all we can judge by is what people type in the little comment box.

        Right now, my working hypothesis is you’re either an old boomer type that doesn’t understand how the internet works, or you are in fact just bullshitting me. I’m leaning toward the latter.

        You claim that you read Total Fascism and – instead of, like I did, snickering at the obvious joke – you took it completely at face value and believed it was the sincere work of an above average IQ White man with some great ideas on society and politics.

        Again, I think you’re just bullshitting me – you’re trolling me. Ya got me. You win.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        I’m not a boomer and I haven’t taken Anglin just at ‘face value’. My view on him is more nuanced than that, as I’ve painfully explained to you at some length. You obviously don’t read people’s comments before replying, which speaks for itself.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        There is a glaring double-standard in calling people spies, agents and ‘larpers’ from the relative comfort of pseudonymity.

        Here, Rogers totally outs himself.

        We’re supposed to give Andrew Anglin – someone who deals in lies, calumny, slander, smears, comedy, trolling, insincerity, and media whoring …

        we’re supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt. We can’t criticize him – unless we use our real names. We have to take Anglin at face value.

        Again, Rogers is just trolling us here. This is the entire point of the article is about – “BULLSHIT.” The same people were telling us that Matt Heimbach was a real activist – they lied through their teeth saying that he had created a “successful White Student Union” when anyone who looked into it knew it didn’t even exist.

        Heimbach was just doing some IRL Trolling. Anglin does online trolling.

        We could go back and forth all day long with this, but why bother? Tom, honestly, I’m not buying what you are selling at all. You are obviously not a stupid man, so because you are saying things that are obviously not true – then using the same tired lines about “double standards” … I’m just gonna call “bullshit.”

        Anglin’s a troll. I’m a troll too – I’m just trolling, dude. I’m trolling Anglin.

        What – Anglin’s allowed to do it, but I’m not?

        Sorry Tom, I know bullshit when I smell it.

        Good luck with the Anglin crowd – as you say, you are a regular reader. Good luck with that.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Eh..?? Let’s just get this straight: you think it’s acceptable to hide behind a silly, childish made-up name while hurling accusations at others? Calling people larpers while you call yourself the Hipster Racist? LOL.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        you think it’s acceptable to hide behind a silly, childish made-up name while hurling accusations at others? Calling people larpers while you call yourself the Hipster Racist?

        Damn right I do. Do you make the same accusation against “Weev?” Of course you don’t.

        Calling people larpers

        You may want to look up the definition of “LARPer” – because that is precisely what I am NOT doing.

        Hey Tom – you got me, I took you seriously for a good five or six posts, but I think you played your hand a bit too much there.

        Good show. Go back to the Daily Stormer with a fun story to tell about how you trolled all the normies.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Except that we know who weev is, don’t we. So weev’s pseudonymity is of no practical effect. That’s the distinction. I therefore maintain my observation about your blatant hypocrisy.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        We only know who “Weev” is because he was busted by the FBI and went to trial. He spent years using a comical, made up name – “Weev” – doing the same kind of trolling – which basically amounts to little more than filling up internet comment boxes with piles and piles of bullshit – what you are doing now.

        You are certainly free to call me a hypocrite, you are free to say I’m “obsessed” – you may also want to try the line “punching right” or “D&C agent” or hell, just go whole hog and call me a “faggot” and a “jew.” Even worse, use the ultimate insult, call me a … BOOMER!

        I’m going to continue calling the crap you are spewing what is it: bullshit

        Anglin is some sort of “neo-Alinksy” political genius – just like Weev is running the world’s #1 Neo-Nazi site from a posh cafe in Eastern Europe – and the government can’t do anything about it! Weev, L&&T H&XXOR, is just too clever for Interpol!

        I mean, come on, it’s fucking hilarious. I’ve followed Weev for 15 years, the guy is funny.

        But people telling us to take him seriously? These same people were telling us that Matt Heimbach was a “serious activist” reaching out to “working class white yoots!”

        Come on, don’t bullshit a bullshiter.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Does Anglin’s neo-Alynskism work according to the aims and objectives set down by Anglin? Yes, it plainly does.

        Again, as far as I am concerned you may as well live on another planet. Has Anglin’s gimmick “worked?” If by “worked” you mean, “turned him into the internet’s most famous troll” – sure.

        If by “worked” you mean “helped turn the ‘Alt Right’ within two years from a promising pro-white identity political movement into something between a sinister, scary ‘nazi’ movement and a white trash clown show, complete with guys like Mike Penovich doing ‘Hitler salutes’ in front of the TV news and Matt Heimbach and Matt Parrott – until maybe two motns ago, allies and coworkers with Anglin, Weev, and Enoch – into a Jerry Springer white trash circus the media is having a field day with” – yep, Anglin’s gimmick worked.

        If by “worked” you mean “successfully trolled thousands of young White women away from expressing pro-White views by attacking them, making jokes about beating them, posting embarassing pictures of them while calling them sluts, whores, and mudsharks” – yeah, Anglin’s gimmick has certainly “worked.”

        I guess it depends on what you consider “success.”

        It’s clear we don’t share the same goals, at all. I’m utterly clueless about what your goals actually are and I am not in the least bit convinced that you, yourself, aren’t simply feeding me a line of bullshit. Hell, you may be yukking it up right now, having ensnared Hipster Racist into taking you seriously for the length of a few posts.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        With great respect, I think you need to calm down and actually read people’s comments and not come to things with such a rigid dogma and preconceptions. You come across a ultra-paranoid and a bit simple-minded. Probably best that we stop this exchange, as we’re not getting anywhere. I look for the merit in what people do and say, rather than jumping off the deep end.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        I’m struggling to understand why you’re hyperventilating so much about it. You seem obsessed about the topic

        Here, Tom gives us a line straight out of hasbara talking points. “Why do you care so much about Jews/Anglin? It’s clearly a personal problem. You are obsessed with Jews/Anglin. You’re hyperventilating.”

        It’s astonishing how much the Anglin/Weev Hasbara Bots read SO MUCH like Israeli propaganda. Gaslighting, accusations that you are crazy, “obsessed” or otherwise have some sort of personal problem.

        I never, not one time, say that Anglin was a “spy” – Tom is purposefully lying, purposefully misrepresenting what I am saying. He’s obviously smart, so he KNOWS that he is misrepresenting what I’m saying.

        This is exactly what pro-White people have gotten any time they deal with the Anglin/Weev astro-turf campaign – mountains and mountains of bullshit, trolling, smears, etc.

        Why play this game?

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Oh right, so now you’re implying ‘hasbara’. Yeah, OK. I now I’ve won at this point. There was no need for it to get to this, as I was making perfectly reasonable points and wasn’t even greatly disagreeing with you. I hope other people see this and your credibility – what little there is – is now completely shot.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Thanks for playing.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Playing what? Can’t people disagree with you on your blog?

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      • 14sonnenrad88
        July 10, 2018

        You really think Anglin is intelligent? You may want to dig into some of his history and listen to some of the things he said before his sudden shift rightward in politics.

        Thing he will never address. Things he’s tried deleting from the internet and if you bring them up he will ban you from the bbs. Things kinda strange for someone supposedly pushing for an American Nationalism flavor of Nazi.

        Intelligent? Maybe. Honest? Absolutely not.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        his handlers will have been taking a huge (and in my view, very foolish) risk in running such an operation.

        WHY? As I have pointed out repeatedly, they have been doing this since the 1960s. They have been VERY successful for 50+ years. What risk? Why would they stop doing something that has worked so well for 50 years? Is THIS year going to be the year that (((Hollywood Nazi))) takes America by storm?

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Let me put this whole Anglin issue into a different perspective, for you to consider. You may or may not agree, but what follows is just a suggested way of thinking about it. Also, bear in mind that I am not offering a definitive judgement on Anglin or any of the others. I merely assert that I am unconvinced he is enemy – hardly a ringing endorsement.

        Let’s assume, for the moment, that Anglin is an agent (or something similar), then I would argue there are two types of people who will be ‘taken in’ by him:

        – the credulous (whether out of innate naiveté or simple inexperience); and,
        – the serious;

        I’m a pretty cynical person, if I may so myself. I would fall into the latter category. In other words, I’m taken in by Anglin because I have a serious frame of mind in the first place and his work has made an impression on me.

        You should be careful not to fall into the erroneous assumption that espionage is a zero-sum game. It’s a high-risk game for the Establishment and organised Jewry – and it could backfire.

        More broadly, personally I’m inclined not to denounce people as ‘spies’ and ‘agents’, etc. This is, in part, because I adopt the wissenschaftliche Methoden, but also because I prefer to take an Occam’s razor approach to things. In other words, I ask myself: Is what this person does or espouses, effective? If it isn’t, then I have no need to consider whether he or she is a spy or similar.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        It’s a high-risk game for the Establishment and organised Jewry – and it could backfire.

        How so? What are they risking?

        Let’s say that a Jewish kid decided to go online and pretend to be a “fascist” – but they was revealed to be Jewish. What did he lose?

        Let’s say that SITE intel, the Israeli propaganda outfit in Washington DC, published papers warning of the “threat of radical right wing anti-semite neo-Nazis” – based on that exact same Jewish kid – but then the kid was revealed to be Jewish, just trollin’ bro.

        What would happen to SITE? Would they have to shut down? Would they lose their credibility? Would they stop being taked seriously? Would they lose their funding?

        I mean, because all that happed. The kid’s name was Joshua Goldberg and he publisehd at Anglin’s Daily Stormer under the name “Michael Slay.”

        You keep saying it’s some high risk game – but SITE Intel is still there. Anglin and the Daily Stormer is still there. Goldberg DID get into a lot of trouble – but NOT for “Michael Slay.” He got in trouble because he was ALSO pretending to be a radical ISIS supporting Muslim and attempted to talk other Muslims into committing a terrorist attack.

        He didn’t go to prison either, he just got sent to a “mental health facility.”

        Last year the ADL warned about a string of bomb threats called into Jewish communities around the country. Eventually it was discovered that all the threats were in fact called in by a Jewish kid – from Israel.

        What did the ADL risk by this? Did they have to shut down? Did they lose all their funding?

        It’s as if you and I live in complete different realities, I guess.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        We don’t live in completely different realities. You begin from an accusatory premise, even though you lack proof. You think that Anglin either is an agent, or if he isn’t, that he is just a psychopathic clown who doesn’t care that his activities might marginalise the pro-white cause.

        I will readily concede, as I already have earlier, that some of what Anglin does will harm us, but that is on the basis that even the most effective methods have a downside. Nothing that you have said so far convinces me that Anglin is a spy. He could be. But since I’m not omiprescient, I can’t say that he is. That seems to me a perfectly normal and reasonable view to take. You are free to disagree, but I’m struggling to understand why you’re hyperventilating so much about it. You seem obsessed about the topic.

        And even if everything that you believe about the super-structure of Der Movement is true, it doesn’t follow that it’s all gain for the designers of this sinister web. This spying and disinformation business isn’t risk-free, you know. There’s a major downside to it. If your worst suspicions are true, then there are risks being taken by Anglin and those running him in amplifying a nationalist message across fertile parts of the internet. It’s not a zero sum game. The truth is that thousands of young white men have been converted by that site to, variously, Nationalism or Nationalism Socialism, and it has planted a seed in the minds of millions more. Thank you Mosche! So kind of you! Of course, if true, then we have also paid a price for this.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 18, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        No, your second sentence is a misrepresentation. I’m starting from the premise that Andrew Anglin is an internet troll.

        Considering that Andrew Anglin himself – both on the Daily Stormer and his personal, “out of character” blog – describes himself as “an internet troll” – even “not a neo-nazi” – I’m just agreeing with Anglin.

        You’re the one disagreeing with Anglin. Why are you being so accusatory toward Andrew Anglin? Anglin says he’s “not a neo-nazi” and is “an internet troll.”

        I never said that “Anglin is a spy.” What I am saying is this, though: I’ve read all of your comments. Certainly, 80% or so of what you are saying I either agree with, or assume is simply honest disagreements about things that everyone has.

        But what you are saying about Anglin, and “the movement” isn’t a matter of honest disagreement – it’s bullshit.

        You’re bullshitting me. You’re trolling me. I get it. You aren’t being sincere.

        I’m simply too tired to play your game, that “internet anime nazi” is somehow a “strategy” or that Andrew Anglin is actually some sort of brilliant “neo-Alinkyite” working in the interests of White people.

        No – bullshit.

        I’m tired of listening to people bullshit me.

        Good luck at the Daily Stormer, Tom.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 18, 2018

        Sorry, I’m now completely not following you. You come across as thoroughly paranoid and, frankly, slightly ill. Your position is that Anglin is either a spy or messing around. I have already stated clearly that that is your position. There’s no misrepresentation from me. The misrepresentation from you, in that you ascribe to me an affirmativeness/certainty about Anglin that I just don’t have and haven’t expressed.

        I genuinely think there is something mentally and emotionally wrong with you.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      The American “White Nationalist” movement, from George Lincoln Rockwell in the 1960s, to Andrew Anglin, Andrew “Weev” Aurenheimer, and Mike Penovich today – is the “Emmanuel Goldstein” movement of America. It is there precisely to marginalize pro-White ideas.

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    • eyeslevel
      March 19, 2018

      Show us how you engage with anti-whites in the field with actual examples. Armchair generals are a dime a dozen. If you have no experience engaging with the enemy, your opinions are worthless.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        I don’t need to show you anything. I don’t need to prove to you anything. You are the hypocrite. You are the coward. You are the one who comes here and comments and snipes under a childish pseudonym. Like your friends, you hide behind your Mummy’s skirt while calling other people names. Perhaps you would listen to me more if I changed my screen handle to TheGreenNelson79 or BigCockJohnTheRighteousOne or TheFuturistHobbit, because I’d then be a cowardly childish pathetic little hypocrite like you.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Good lord, Tom Rogers got really triggered when he got called on his bullshit.

        I mean, he can talk about how much he admires various terrorists and murderers online. He can posture about how he think that Hitler had it right and we need to follow him. But at the end of the day he’s just a blogger with three posts and spends time filling up comment boxes.

        It would have been fine if he didn’t try to bullshit everybody by telling us he actually took Andrew Angin’s “Total Fascism” seriously.

        He’s stuck now. Anglin himself admits that Total Fascism was a troll. So either Tom Rogers has to admit he fell for a prank – the equivalent of sending his life savings to one of those Nigerian scammers – or he continues to try to convince people that, no no – despite even Anglin’s own admission, it was more than a troll, it was the serious political analysis and strategy of a very intelligent guy.

        TEN TRICKS THE JEWS DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW!

        Tom Rogers wants us to ignore how he’s made a total fool of himself, actually taking internet trolls seriously, and instead get into a pissing match about internet handles.

        Is Tom Rogers his REAL name? I don’t think so. If he won’t post his drivers license picture and a social security number, he’s outed as a total coward, a hypocrite.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        I can’t read all that waffle, but I can’t help but observe the obvious irony that you say I am “triggered”, yet you seem to be giving an awful lot of time to responding to my posts. Isn’t that interesting?
        “Triggered” of course is just another internet buzz word. It doesn’t mean anything in reality. When you say “triggered”, it suggests that my comments make you uncomfortable – as well they should. You are, essentially, an overgrown child.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Of course I’m responding to your comments – you are commenting on an article I wrote.

        Plus you are exactly who this entire article was written about. You actually stepped in and spent dozens of comments spewing the exact same bullshit I wrote about in the article itself.

        As I posted in the article, you are telling lies and spinning fantasies – all in the name of some “movement” – exactly as I wrote.

        Believe me, I’m very glad you showed up, because you are providing a real life, real time example of everything I wrote about.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        Ah, you don’t now address this word “triggered”. Instead, you’ve shifted the goalposts and now you’re inferring that I’m here on a mission. Again, we have to go back to what I ACTUALLY said in the relevant comments above, which is NOT – I repeat NOT – what you represent me as saying. Again, let me repeat, we have the basic problem that you don’t read people’s comments before responding and when somebody slightly disagrees with you, even in a reasonable way, you lose control of yourself. You’re a classic example of the rigidly dogmatic paranoiac.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        I’m not in the slightest bit interested in getting into a pissing match with you over the word “triggered.” That’s not shifting the goalposts – that’s you desperately trying to pivot away from the issue.

        You claim you read Andrew Anglin’s “Total Fascism” and took it seriously.

        Even Anglin admits he was “just trollin, bro.” You are saying that you think it’s really important we follow Hitler. But even Anglin admits he was never serious about that.

        So you admit that Anglin totally suckered you – you got trolled. It’s really embarrassing for you, taking silly internet trolls like “Weev” at face value. I mean, how gullible ARE you?

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        This is hilarious. You’re clearly “triggered”. I’ve clearly touched a nerve. You don’t like critical comments on your blog, though in fairness, this does seem to be a common character flaw.

        I DO take Anglin seriously. One point you haven’t grasped – and I’m starting to realise you’re not very bright – is that Anglin’s clownishness is itself a strategy. I am aware of what he has said, and I endorse it as part of the picture. Yes, it could be that he is not sincere at all, but as I have already pointed out to you, we can’t know what’s going on in his head: it’s a futile line of inquiry.

        Overall, you come across as a very, very insecure person.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        “I DO take Anglin seriously.”

        “it could be that he is not sincere at all”

        Did you also take Weev seriously when he said he was a supporter of the Westboro Baptist Church?

        LOL.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        Again, anybody reading this exchange should look at the relevant comment. My point is that Anglin is engaging in a strategem. He has made this clear. Hipster Racist is simply misrepresenting my comments.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        I also hope that people read the comments, including Tom Roger’s and mine.

        No one ever suggested that Anglin wasn’t “engaging in a strategem” The question is what the goals of that strategem are.

        Tom Rogers wants you to believe that Anglin’s strategem is … I don’t know, what, to trigger a new Neo-Nazi Revolution?

        The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. What has Anglin accomplished? He helped turn the “Alt Right” – two years ago a promising pro-White movement – into a media circus and a clown show. He helped bring together violent Antifa types with regular – even conservative – Americans against the Alt Right.

        He also managed to make a living for himself – someone is sending him money.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        @ Rogers You only need to show us something if you want to have credibility. As of now, you have none.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        @Rogers So you never have actually engaged with anti-whites in the field? And you think you can give us advice?

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        It’s called “concern trolling” -someone who pretends to be on your side then gives you counter-productive advice.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        “Cowardly, childish, pathetic” -wow, talk about ad hominem…

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        But it IS cowardly, childish and pathetic and hypocritical – manifestly so – to affect to call out other people while hiding behind a screen name. I simply stating the obvious. And how do you know I have done nothing? On what basis am I accountable or answerable to you? I’ve done plenty, but I am not answerable to you. I don’t even know who you are. And even if I have done nothing, how would that invalidate any criticism I make?

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Post your driver’s license or admit that “Tom Rogers” isn’t you real name. You are a manifest hypocrite and childish and pathetic for hiding behind a screen name “Tom Rogers” calling out other people.

        At least we came up with creative catchy internet handles!

        And how do you know I have done nothing? On what basis am I accountable or answerable to you?

        “I have a really hot girlfriend! She goes to a different school. In Canada. So you’ll never meet her – but trust me, she’s hot.”

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        I don’t need to, it’s a real name and it is my name. No more need be said. In contrast, Hipster Racist is a pseudonym intended to hide your identity while you make unprovable accusations. But you’ve taken this discussion down a cul-de-sac. Anybody can read my comments above and see that you’ve failed to comprehend what I was saying.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        I encourage everyone to read your comments, and the responses to them. I’m not censoring you.

        I wouldn’t dream of it – you came along and proved everything I said in this article.

        Thank you. You provided a concrete example of the bullshit I wrote about.

        Hell, if you didn’t exist, I’d have to make you up.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        I think you are a very insecure person, very troubled and not very bright. I feel sorry for you. I think I will stop now. I’m sorry I “triggered” you, which it is clear I have done. You clearly find it very upsetting to be critiqued, even in a mild way. I will leave you to your paranoiac fantasies and delusions of grandeur.

        But yes, I hope people do read my comments and my responses to you. I’m pretty confident they will come away with an unfavourable impression of you: at the least, the impression is of somebody who is paranoid, unintelligent and insecure.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        @Tom Rogers

        Thanks for playing, Tom.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        Again, playing what? With you, I think that’s the real question.

        If you are an agent of some sort, which I am beginning to suspect is a possibility (the only explanation other than that you are simply unintelligent), then know this: You will pay the price.

        The same goes for Anglin, and all the others, if it turns out they are agents.

        Not that I am saying you are or that Anglin is, but I am suspicious,, by default, of everybody.

        Yeah, we’ll play these games, if you want, whatever that ‘game’ really is, and I’ll instrumentally use you. But if are working for the other side in some way, then let me tell you: it will not be an easy death for you.

        You can’t hide your identity completely on the internet, and if you think you can, then you’re a fool.

        But yes, let’s finish there. We aren’t getting anywhere, as you’re clearly not interested in a sensible discussion.

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        If you are an agent of some sort, which I am beginning to suspect is a possibility

        Wow, Tom Rogers is getting paranoid now. How do you know I’m an “agent?” You can’t prove I’m an “agent!”

        Take off your tinfoil hat, Tom!

        But if are working for the other side in some way, then let me tell you: it will not be an easy death for you.

        LULZ. This is quite funny, now. Now Tom Rogers is saying I’m an “agent” and that when Anglin leads the Neo-Nazi Revolution, they are going to come for people like me and stick me in a oven along with the Jews.

        I mean – it’s sort of fun to play this sort of character online, I guess. But now Tom Rogers has basically outed himself as a 15 year old kid.

        Notice he never responded to my points about the Daily Stormer’s Joshua Goldberg and SITE Intelligence. He said it would be a “huge risk” if they were exposed – but they WERE exposed. SITE is still there. Daily Stormer is still there.

        Tom Rogers also never responded to the fact that the ADL was caught red handed pretending that a bunch of fake bomb threats against Jewish community groups were from “anti-semite neo-nazi altrighters” – the fake bomb threats actually came from a Jewish man living in Israel – yet they suffered zero consequences.

        Tom Rogers said it was a “high risk game” – yet they got caught, red handed, and ADL is still there. They suffered zero consequences.

        Now Tom Rogers is telling me that I’m an “agent” and that “it will not be an easy death” for me.

        What kind of people get wrapped up in this sort of fantasy? This is LARPing – this is role play. This is trolling.

        I mean, I get that a lot of kids like it, but come on.

        I’d also suggested everyone click the link in Tom’s handle and check out his blog.

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        You know, for somebody who calls other people “triggered”, you seem awfully “triggered” yourself. And don’t you think it’s a bit sad to post under different screen names on your own blog? I do seem to have touched a nerve here.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        Your entire response is a nasty deflection from my challenge. If your tactics are so wonderful, prove it. Bob Whitaker brought down one evil empire with “why does a workers’ paradise have to shoot escapees?” What’s your track record, Field Marshall Rogers (or whatever your real name is)?

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      • Tom Rogers
        March 19, 2018

        I think there was a bit more to my comments on Bob Whitaker than that! I was very respectful and I explained why things developed beyond The Mantra. I think you’re just here to needle me. Fine. But there’s no deflection. I have stated that I have done things, but I don’t need to explain them to you. I am not accountable to you. I know, in your case, such a question would be redundant because you are here under a flag of deception: you use a pseudonym out of cowardice. You are, therefore, a coward. You are therefore dishonest. You are therefore a hypocrite. Why should anybody listen to you?

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        You won’t give any evidence because you don’t have any. You just deflect. If you want to continue to have no credibility to anyone reading this, that certainly doesn’t bother me.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        People should listen to me because I’m right.

        We’re not looking for perfection, we’re looking for effectiveness. If you can come up with something better than Bob’s Mantra and can prove it’s better with evidence from the field, great. We’re always looking for things that are more effective. Until then, you’re just another concern troll.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        What takes moral courage is engaging with anti-whites in the field. Which, so far, you have shown no evidence that you have ever done.

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      • eyeslevel
        March 19, 2018

        When soldiers wear camouflage are they being dishonest? I never claimed my real name was eyeslevel. Encouraging people to make themselves easier targets to the enemy is classic concern trolling.

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  12. Hipster Racist
    March 17, 2018

    An example of what I mean – in the last few years, ANY TIME a relatively moderate person started flirting with pro-White ideas, Anglin would send his trolls on the attack. There was that kind of goofy DJ that does “Anti-political correctness” stuff. The second he started making moderately pro-White points, Anglin – in coordination with the anti-White media – would declare hims a “Nazi” and flood their online properties saying “welcome to the Nazi club! Gas the Kike Race War Now!” Then the media would say, “this conservative is flirting with the neo-Nazi Alt Right.”

    Anglin did the same thing to Spencer. After years of attacking Spencer, the day that Mike Enoch (an Anglin collaborator) jumped in front of the cameras to do “Hitler Salutes” – Anglin’s hasbara campaign went into action, declaring that Spencer was the new “leader of the Alt Right.” Spencer resisted for a while, but eventually gave in (I think he was tired of them trolling him and calling him a “faggot” constantly) and – well, look what happened. In the course of a year, Spencer – with help from the fake “movement” like Heimbach and Anglin – destroyed the Alt Right and NPI.

    This exact same pattern has been happening since the 1960s. Pro-White people in the 1960s made the SAME COMPLAINT about George Lincoln Rockwell.

    Again, it’s Charlie Brown and the football. At some point people need to stop falling for it.

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  13. Hipster Racist
    March 17, 2018

    Another example that happened quite recently:

    After Trump won, a HUGE number of White girls went onto social media and started supporting Trump. There were very mainstream brands, like Laura Southern, that started flirting with White identity. More and more White girls were getting online and spreading pro-White messaging.

    No, of course, they were not ideologically consistent. No, of course, sometimes they didn’t go “all the way” to White Nationalism proper. But they were on the path.

    So what happened? Weev wrote an article at Daily Stormer about “White Sharia” and how women need to be “punched in the face” to “break their facial bones” – then he sent out his troll army to attack “thots.” All those pro-White girls were spammed constantly over the course of MONTHS calling them sluts, whores, mudsharks etc.

    It was a purposeful and coordinated attack on pro-White women who were starting to express pro-White ideas.

    Then – in order to get more hits and comments from the Weev Hasbara Bot Army, morons like Vincent Law at AltRight.com announced his support of the campaign, declaring that it was the Official Position of the Alt-Right to “Thot Patrol.” Then, Weev’s Hasbara Bot Army started trolling (hacking, even?) the social media accounts on these White girls, trying to find pictures of them with a Black or Brown guy, and essentially slandered them all over social media.

    Then, the anti-White mainstream media – in coordination with Weev/Daily Stormer – started writing mainstream articles about how the Alt Right is attacking White women.

    This was a purposeful and coordinated campaign in order to drive White women – and normal White people in general – away from pro-White ideas. It happened openly. The handful of White men who objected became targets of Weev/Daily Stormer’s Hasbara Troll army themselves.

    Weev/Daily Stormer won – a number of pro-White women ran off, demoralized. Which was the point.

    Again – how many times does this happen until people get it through their heads?

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  14. Crud Bonemeal
    March 17, 2018

    “In North America, White people will rule the USA and Canada for my lifetime, the lifetime of my children, and I suspect even the lifetime of my grandchildren. What happens after that is up to future generations.”

    We don’t rule it right now though.

    So what is going to change?

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    • Crud Bonemeal
      March 17, 2018

      Your critique of DS / TRS is interesting

      But Trump seems to be running a very similar scam

      No one can credibly say that he is what he claims to be

      So what is going to change that will put us in charge of North America?

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Crud Bonemeal

        Of course Trump is running a similar scam – it’s not a coincidence that DS/TRS were early and vocal supporters of Trump – even attacking pro-White people who were pointing out that Trump is pro-Jewish but not pro-White.

        FWIW – my criticism of DS/TRS hasn’t changed one bit – I started pointing this out YEARS ago. I predictect everything they would do because it’s pretty obvious what their agenda is.

        “So what is going to change that will put us in charge of North America?”

        “Us?” What you mean you and I? Nothing, neither your nor I are ever going to rule North America. The richest man in the world is Jeff Bezos – a White man, with a White wife, and White children. He’s the ruling class.

        We WE can do – you and I – is to attack anti-Whites and promote pro-White ideas.

        At this point in history, everything else is just playing White Nationalist Sim City – i.e., LARPing.

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      • Crud Bonemeal
        March 17, 2018

        I would view the values of the white elite as more representative of Jewish anti-goy values than white values, due to cultural osmosis.

        So it’s something of a technicality to say “Whites” are in charge of North America

        And no, I’m not saying I should be in charge.

        But the situation is still eroding rapidly, even if no real movement exists, there is a need for one.

        As of March 2018 I do view DS as essentially an anti-white force, so I will give you some credit for that

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 17, 2018

        @Crud Bonemeal

        I would view the values of the white elite as more representative of Jewish anti-goy values than white values, due to cultural osmosis.

        There may be some truth to that. Colin Liddell made the same point in his excellent essay “Cosmopolitians” last year. There’s some truth in the NRx critque of Anglo-Protestantism along the same lines. But there are no “universal white values” except in a very narrow sense of genetic predispositions. Kevin MacDonald talks about this a bit.

        On the other hand, that’s an ancillary issue. I tend to ignore these issues because it always leads down the path to the “Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy” which I find counter-productive to my cause.

        As of March 2018 I do view DS as essentially an anti-white force, so I will give you some credit for that

        That’s great, it’s gratifing when other people see the same things you do. I think it’s going to become more obvious. I spent five or so years attacking Heimbach, Parrott, and their scam TWP with little headway (Spencer DID ban them back in 2015, mere months after I was the first person to expose them, so I’ll take credit for that too.)

        DailyStormer/TheRightStuff is a harder nut to crack because they are online only and they are obviously better organized and better funded – but I suspect this year – 2018 – is going to be the year that DS/TRS starts going downhill. You can already see they are desperate to rebrand because their fan base is starting to see through the scam. The entire blow up between Weev and TWP was because Weev couldn’t keep his audience buying what he and Heimbach were selling, so he tried to retool.

        Andrew “Weev” Aurenheimer is a smart guy, a good propagandist, and obviously knows what he’s doing. But he won’t win, in the end.

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  15. A. Vickstrom
    March 17, 2018

    A few months ago an American friend and I were running a Twitter account as part of an experiment. The goal was to post trolly nonsense alongside serious posts and then see what generated the most aggressive response from the Twitter police. Our account was immediately attacked after we started pointing out that the same Hollywood Nazi tactics being used in America are now being transplanted into British politics.

    Are you familiar with a group called ‘National Action’? They used to run all over Britain with a banner that said ‘Refugees Not Welcome – Hitler Was Right.’ I did a bit of digging into the group’s origins and it had close ties to the Daily Stormer, many of its members were Polaks, and one of its founders had previously been arrested for indictable crimes (he was the equivalent of an American ‘felon’). It was a completely fake organization that was used as a tool to demonize British identity politics and to stigmatize the more serious organizations. Another example of this is when UKIP was forced to denounce a member named Jack Sen who happened to be close friends with many members of the American ‘neo-Nazi’ movement.

    You’re clearly very knowledgeable about these tactics and have studied this issue longer than I have, would you be willing to write up a post detailing strategies for eliminating this sort of subversion? Especially as these tactics relate to Britain?

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      A. Vicstrom

      They used to run all over Britain with a banner that said ‘Refugees Not Welcome – Hitler Was Right.’

      YEP – that is exactly how it operates. The Soviets used to call it “enemy face.” The ENTIRE “White Nationalist” movement in the USA – since George Lincoln Rockwell himself – was essentially the same thing.

      It’s a very obvious type of propaganda – and it works particularly well when you have control of the media.

      Daily Stormer/TheRightStuff is the online, social media version of it – effective but not unbeatable like the old style subversion.

      I’ve been writing about this for years – I’ll continue to write about it. The events of the last few weeks provides even more insight into how the scam operates.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 17, 2018

      Our account was immediately attacked after we started pointing out that the same Hollywood Nazi tactics being used in America are now being transplanted into British politics.

      Yep – that is exactly what Andrew Anglin, Andrew “Weev” Aurenheimer, and Mike Penovich (alias “Enoch”) and his Jewess wife have done for the last few years online.

      The have likely thousands of spam accounts – remember, Weev’s “former” occupation was online marketing – he’s a professional spammer and troll. They use these accounts to attack anyone exposing the scam, obviously.

      Does anyone really believe that there are more than a handful of “serious National Socialists” anywhere in the West in 2018?

      Or that these “Neo-Nazis” actually have the time – or the funding – to run a massive, coordinated spam campaign – and “just happen” to get massive media coverage?

      It’s astro-turf. I mean, come on, the Daily Stormer was caught red handed: a) publishing professional Israeli propagandist Joshua Goldberg and b) being run of out the New York City apartment of “Weev’s” Jewish friend, Alex Pilsner.

      Penovich – AFTER starting “Hailgate” was outed as being married to a Jewish woman – who was a co-star of his “nazi” show – and he even has non-white family members.

      Then, even after that exposure (he was defended in this by “anti-semite neo-nazi Andrew Anglin) – what does Penovich do? He jumps in front of the cameras at Charlottesville and does “Heil Hitler” salutes in front of the “NSM” – FBI informant Hal Turner’s old group.

      When these people are caught, they say, “hey we’re just trolling dude, it’s just a joke!” Then they continue doing the same stuff.

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      • guest
        March 17, 2018

        Makes you almost wish that car in Charlottesville ran someone else over.

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      • A. Vickstrom
        March 19, 2018

        Exactly! I mentioned that there are very few real neo-Nazis last year on AltRight.com and was dogpiled by sketchy accounts. Do you remember that ‘Yehuda Finkelstein’ character? The man sounded identical to a dozen or so other posters and all of them would attack anyone who disagreed. They always used the same insults, same writing style, etc. It was transparent to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that something fishy was going on.

        Did you know there was a poll a few months ago which showed that nearly half of British citizens want all immigrants to be repatriated? Break that poll down by race and you find that a majority of White Brits want to send them all back. All we’d have to do to take back our country is create a legitimate British Nationalist movement and we’d be elected ASAP. There is so much frustration building. I return home every few months and the feeling of resentment and tension is more intense every time.

        Yet every time anyone tries to do this we have groups like ‘National Action’ pop up. National Action was so transparent – they did everything they could to alienate themselves. They even spraypainted ‘White Jihad’ on buildings next to banners of Hitler.

        There are three things British patriots are angry about:

        1. Mass immigration – we our losing our jobs to cheap laborers from Eastern Europe.

        2. Islamic crime.

        3. Our history is being erased.

        And suddenly an organization filled with Poles (our version of Mexicans) starts plastering Hitler’s face on street corners all while talking about ‘White Jihad.’ It was almost as if they did everything possible to make Nationalism look bad….

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      • Hipster Racist
        March 19, 2018

        A Victron

        ‘Yehuda Finkelstein’

        Oh, of course I remember him. He’s still around. He would go apeshit whenever I pointed out that all the “neo-nazi” crap was at best, self-marginalization, at worst, purposeful disruption.

        That guy had so much time on his hands he literally would find comments of mine from six month prior and post them in an attempt to prove I was wrong somehow – hell, I thank him for showing how consistently correct I’ve been.

        Yehuda Finkelstein was one of the guys saying that doing “Hitler salutes” for the TV cameras was really brave, and how we need to talk about the Holocaust more.

        When that brand of bullshit became too obvious – too stupid for even the most gullible to believe – he changed his tune. That’s how trolls operate.

        They even spraypainted ‘White Jihad’ on buildings next to banners of Hitler.

        Notice how stunts like these are always paired with MASSIVE online spam campaigns? How many people do this in real life? A half dozen?

        Traditional Worker’s Party was never more than a handful of people. Their online spammers spent years telling lies about their “welding school” and how many “working class white youth” they saved from oxy addiction.

        Of course, it was all bullshit. Literally, all bullshit. They never did any of those things. But what they DID do – their real job – was to show up for the TV cameras and parade around in costumes, spewing rhetoric that may as well have been designed by a professional marketing outfit to turn off the exact same white working class they pretended to advocate for.

        All anyone has to do is step off of the internet for a minute or two and it is IMPOSSIBLE to take that kind of bullshit seriously.

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    • Boopedybop
      March 18, 2018

      I remember Joe Owens (who’s now running for local office) mentioned the shadiness of National Action and other similar groups.

      Yeah, they always struck me as weird.

      There was another group, Scottish Dawn, that was similar, although I actually thought they may have been more sincere (no overt ‘Hitler was right, GTKRWN’ nonsense, public outreach programs etc…) and ‘real’. Not sure what’s happened to them as of now, but I assume they’ve been banned as well.

      The absolute state of the UK tho 😦

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  16. eyeslevel
    March 17, 2018

    You’re either repeating pro-white talking points or you’re not. Anyone who won’t talk abut white genocide is suspect.

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    • AlexJ
      March 17, 2018

      Even a naziwantstokillsixmillionjews repeating White Genocide is doing more to save the White race, than any number of respectable conservative types who Flat Out Refuse To Say It.

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  17. eyeslevel
    March 18, 2018

    I know Trump isn’t pro-white, but the thing that has intrigued me about him is that my enemies hate him so much. Anyone my enemies hate that much is a potential ally. Why do they hate him so much? Just because he has access to information that could put most of them in prison? Or what? They just want someone in who’s a little bit better from their perspective? Their attacks on Trump are so insane they risk destroying their own credibility and therefore their own power. Why are they risking everything to go after someone who is, as you say, “basically, a liberal Democrat” -? A little of the political analysis Aryan Skynet is famous for would be appreciated here.

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    • Hipster Racist
      March 18, 2018

      @eyeslevel

      Sure, I’ll explain it. Democrats hate Trump because he’s a traitor. He was beloved by the left during the George W. Bush administration because he was against the Iraq war, he supported Democrats on health care, etc. Then Trump started attacking Obama using Netanyahu, Likud and Israeli talking points which turned Democrats against him. Then, he ran against Clinton.

      The hatred against Trump doesn’t seem particular unique to me. I remember the original incarnation of FreeRepublic.com in the 1990s – the hatred against Bill Clinton was somewhere between hysteria and comedy. The Republicans hated Obama so much they declared him not really a citizen.

      One difference is that looney-tunes types were not considered “mainstream media” even 10 years ago, but now because of social media the “mainstream” corporate media is no different than some dude with a Facebook blog and even the biggest news brands compete for click-bait.

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    • guest
      March 18, 2018

      They don’t hate Trump per se, he is just a stand-in for bad whitey, the white canvas they project this hate onto, you have to realize that we are all Trump.

      What they project onto Trump is what they believe all deplorables to be.

      They look at us like naked natives, whose souls are to be saved.

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  18. Nead L.
    March 18, 2018

    Found your blog only recently. I will admit being ‘taken in’ by TDS/TRS all that type of stuff, but ‘clickbait’ works because when you first notice something is very wrong those are the first places you find. Anyways keep up the good work, I enjoy it and learn alot .

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    • Mike R
      March 18, 2018

      The purpose of the clickbait is to get you listening and reading instead of working to improve your lot while casually espousing barely-controversial pro-white talking points. Note the message is now about “embracing nationalism,” and improving optics. They are going to try and coax a few more suckers in before they have another “gaffe,” and likely expose a whole lot of normal whites they took in.

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  19. Hipster Racist
    March 18, 2018

    Amy Schumer, the Jewess comedian from Long Island, has even more edgy racist humor than the Daily Stormer. Wetbacks, Cubans, Jews, Blacks. She even makes Holocaust jokes and does a swastika on stage.

    I could sign up for the Daily Stormer and just post Amy Schumer jokes and I’d fit right in.

    Hell, Anglin could do stand up at the Comedy Store and do pretty well. After all, the Daily Stormer is run out of Manhattan.

    I think everyone has misunderstood everything. The Daily Stormer isn’t some sort of “neo-nazi” site. It’s Jewish stand-up.

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    • A. Vickstrom
      March 19, 2018

      I never spent any significant amount of time around Jews until I came to the U.S. Most of ours live in London and they only interact with the upper crust. It’s still obvious to me though after only a few years in the U.S. that Jews are obsessed with Nazism.

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  20. I’m still conflicted about all this.

    I agree that there are a lot of Jews at the top of this “movement” and I’m deeply troubled by it.

    I’m pretty sure that 99% of websites/blogs/vlogs/podcasts that have phenomenal success have it because money is being poured into them. I was actually suspicious of The Daily Stormer because of its fast rise in google ranking. Still, I told myself, the young people will learn things from reading there. And although I can’t stand TRS on a personal level (as I get older, I like quiet) I thought it was harmless enough.

    As time has gone on though, I’ve come to realize that the American need for constant stimulation is a weakness. It keeps us from doing things. What things? Well I guess for starters building real life relationships and helping each other. I struggle with it myself but it’s very important. People are dying and people are struggling. How can we help? Can we support each other’s businesses? Can we lend a hand financially when a White family is struggling? Can we be a shoulder to cry on? We don’t have to start an organization and call CNN to help out a brother or a sister.

    Here in California we’re competing with Mexicans and Asians. THEY don’t seem to need pain pills and anti-anxiety meds. Imho it’s because they support each other in NOT doing that. They have a culture (which we USED TO have) which says “we don’t need medication”, “we’re strong”.

    I lived next door to some Mexicans a few years ago. Do you know what they did on the weekends? They hung out together. All the adult kids came over with their spouses and children and they ate together and watched tv and talked. Sure it was “boring” in a way but I’ll bet they weren’t lonely.

    Finally, I absolutely disagree that Whites are ruling America (or there wouldn’t be all these brown people around me) and my finely tuned jewdar says that bezos is a rat jew too. He looks like one and he recently used his power to remove Holocaust-denial books from HIS platform. These jews have an incredible amount of power now. I don’t know how you can’t see that HR.

    Hope the above made sense. Super tired atm but wanted to share my disjointed thoughts.

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  21. i got thru 11 minutes of Amy Schumer. What a pig.

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  22. bob saffron
    March 19, 2018

    Open Thread entry: George Hutcheson of Students for Western Civilization in Canada talking truth to institutional power.

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  23. bob saffron
    March 19, 2018

    Fly on the wall discomfort.

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  24. eyeslevel
    March 19, 2018

    A lot of pro-whites believe that if we just “expose the Jew” everything will fall into our laps. Joe Biden while Vice President said Jews run Hollywood and were instrumental in promoting Civil Rights legislation.

    http://ihr.org/other/biden_jewish_role

    He said EXACTLY what many white nationalists have been saying for 70 years. So is Joe Biden a secret white nationalist? Did his remarks have any negative effect on Jewish influence? Did they do anything good for pro-whites?

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  25. james
    March 19, 2018

    Kudos for being proven right so often.

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  26. NoddingHead
    March 21, 2018

    “You can post all the libertarian Austrian school stuff you want”

    A lot of that stuff needs to be moderated.

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