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Wrecked Beyond Salvage: Montgomery Clift and His Synthetic Hollywood Semitism

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Montgomery Clift

Montgomery Clift, once known as the most beautiful man in Hollywood, was one of the most compelling screen presences of the 1950s; but, as with his eccentric contemporary Marlon Brando, reading about the troubled actor’s life does little to elevate him in the view of this erstwhile admirer.

A disturbing feature of Clift’s fragmented personality was his increasing identification with Jews as his mental condition deteriorated. A tortured bisexual and societal outsider, the star of The Heiress (1949), A Place in the Sun (1951), and Suddenly, Last Summer (1959) was a natural proxy recruit for Jewish cultural engineering and politics.

Living with an army engineer unit in Switzerland while preparing for his role in Fred Zinnemann’s The Search (1948), Clift was invited to attend a screening of concentration camp footage purporting to document “masses of Jews being led to the gas chambers.” The actor was so affected by what he witnessed that he reportedly dashed out of the screening room and vomited1. From there, it was easy to get the emotional Clift behind the newly victorious occupation government in Palestine.

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Zinnemann with From Here to Eternity stars Clift and Sinatra

In 1948, as Arabs were still skirmishing with the occupiers in an unsuccessful attempt at reclaiming their country, Clift toured Israel with Zionist zealot Zinnemann, who would also direct him in the hit From Here to Eternity (1953). He lived on a desert kibbutz for a while, rode through Jerusalem in an armored car, and wrote home to his mother that “listening to the tales of the siege of Jerusalem is amazing.”2

Clift’s Zionism endeared him to Paramount Pictures president Barney Balaban, who ordinarily wanted nothing to do with “the talent”. He made an exception with Clift, however, socializing and appearing with him at a United Jewish Appeal fundraiser. “Daddy was profoundly impressed with Monty’s feelings about Israel,” Balaban’s daughter Judy recalls. “After that fundraiser they started meeting to talk about Israel and God knows what else.”3

An alcoholic and an experimenter with other drugs, Clift was referred by a doctor to a homosexual psychoanalyst named William Silverberg, who, unfortunately, appears to have been of paltry assistance to his patient:

Monty began seeing Silverberg every day. Dr. Richard Robertiello, who was first a patient, then a student of Silverberg’s, had the session after Monty in 1950 and 1951. “I remember Montgomery Clift walking slowly out into the waiting room. He had the most intensely tormented expression of anyone I’d ever seen.”4

The actor’s erratic and reckless behavior climaxed with a 1956 car wreck that mangled his face. “Montgomery Clift survived that night and lived for ten more years, but his real death occurred as he lay bleeding and half-conscious in Elizabeth Taylor’s arms,” writes biographer Patricia Bosworth. “Nothing would ever be the same for him after that.”5

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Clift with Zionist fag hag friend Elizabeth Taylor

Clift’s less handsome features and more brittle presence following his accident lent themselves to a series of odd Jewish or Judaically resonant roles Clift took during the later phase of his acting career. He played a bullied Jewish soldier in The Young Lions (1958); a simpleton who had been sterilized by the Nazis in Judgment at Nuremberg (1961); and he even essayed the title role in John Huston’s little-seen biopic Freud (1962). Even before the wreck, he had developed a fascination with the morbid, neurotic persona of Franz Kafka:

[Thornton] Wilder had recently abandoned work on a play called Alcestis for Garbo, and he was currently trying to write The Emporium, inspired by Kafka’s The Castle. He was writing the play expressly for Monty, and Monty, much moved, urged him to finish it. He would play it anywhere, any place, he said. As if to spur Wilder on, he began to read the entire works of Kafka, and he tried to discuss them all: The Castle, Metamorphosis, The Trial. Monty found the writing “baffling, exquisite, tortured.”

During his reading he came upon a photograph of Kafka taken in Prague the year of his death. His face is sharp, chiseled, skull-like, his ears stick out like a bat; his eyes are startled, full of fear and yet oddly contained. Monty kept the picture and ultimately tore it out of the book so he could study it more closely. He gazed at that picture almost every day. Years later he used it as the basis for his characterization of Noah in The Young Lions.6

“Monty’s [thirty-something] adolescent revolt culminated in one horrendous confrontation in the Clift apartment, as witnessed by Bill Le Massena who had been invited to dinner,” as Bosworth reveals:

During the meal Monty announced loudly that he was going to play “The Jew Noah Ackerman” in the movie The Young Lions. “I was picked because I look so Jewish,” he said. “Everybody thinks I’m Jewish,” he added, knowing this would infuriate his father, who was anti-Semitic.

While his father stared at him aghast, Monty repeated, “Everybody thinks I’m Jewish, Pa,” and then he began hooting with laughter until [his mother] Sunny interrupted gently, “Monty, dear, why are you doing this to me?” […]

Sunny continued lecturing. Finally Monty lay down on the floor and began rolling back and forth and crying, “Oh, Ma! You are such a cunt, such a cunt!”7

Increasingly cunt-averse, Clift would end his days as a psychologically ravaged has-been, binging on drugs and New York’s rough trade; but his sterling legacy of philo-Semitic activism and propaganda will stretch from here to eternity.

Rainer Chlodwig von K.

Endnotes

  1. Bosworth, Patricia. Montgomery Clift: A Biography. New York, NY: Limelight Editions, 2001, pp. 126-127.
  2. Ibid., p. 152.
  3. Ibid., p. 207.
  4. Ibid., p. 204.
  5. Ibid., p. 3.
  6. Ibid., p. 161.
  7. Ibid., pp. 316-317.
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121 comments on “Wrecked Beyond Salvage: Montgomery Clift and His Synthetic Hollywood Semitism

  1. icareviews
    January 1, 2017

    Reblogged this on icareviews.

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  2. bob saffron
    January 2, 2017

    “most beautiful man in Hollywood”
    Bet that line drew snickers back in the day, too.

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  3. BMan
    January 2, 2017

    This is an excellent read.

    The wanna be jew connection is telling. I wonder how many of these sycophants do similar stuff nowadays. I would imagine most of them.

    Funny, when I think back to the old timers of Hollywood, this guy never comes to mind. There must be a subconscious reason for that.

    Thank goodness.

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    • icareviews
      January 2, 2017

      A lot of goy celebrities are even buying property in Israel. Madonna and Mariah Carey, even.

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  4. KSA
    January 2, 2017

    The hallmarks of philosemitism:

    -gullibility
    -weak-mindedness
    -femininity
    -pettiness
    -uprootedness
    -unprincipled
    -dishonest

    It’s never been otherwise. Look throughout history at all the great writers, leaders, and thinkers: Voltaire, Tacitus, Wagner, Napoleon, Schopenhauer, Celine. They all despised jews and saw them for what they were. The jew-lovers have always been misfits, rogues, and prostitutes like Clift.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 2, 2017

      Voltaire, Tacitus, Wagner, Napoleon, Schopenhauer, Celine. They all despised jews

      Yet for some reason no one ever goes to the well for our own home grown natural anti-semitism. It’s ALWAYS paired with (((Hollywood Nazism.)))

      You could indict the Jews up and down without ever referencing Hitler or the Nazis. But no one ever quotes Voltaire or the classics when talking about Jews. It’s ALWAYS Hitler this, Nazi that.

      Anti-semitism is always kept closely in the Hollywood Nazi ghetto – and that is for a reason of course.

      100% of neo-Nazis are Jews playing dress up, or paid by them. Take that to the bank.

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      • Sam J.
        January 3, 2017

        Do you think Daily Stormer is Jew run?

        I believe that Jew run obfuscation sites have ceased to become valuable for the Jews. It’s true they may shock the unprepared and also true they may have blind leads in them but for them to be effective they HAVE to tell a decent proportion of the truth. Since information is much more open with the net it allows for confirmation across multiple sources. I’m not saying this is easy or clear cut but over time it can bring the truth into a clearer focus.

        This combined with sites that do tell the truth slowly makes the truth, even if shocking, more mainstream. An example is I talked to a long time friend who lives in another part of the country who’s far from a Jew hater like me and he says even regular people are asking him about Pizzagate and stuff like that. The Jew fake sites may have errors but they prompt questions in the readers minds that can be answered elsewhere. As long as it’s understood that there’s a pile of lies with a little truth I think people can deal with that. May annoy them but hey that’s just the way it is. I find value in fake news. Just like in the USSR PRAVDA used to tell horrifying stories about the US while showing cities full of cars going by and people wondered, “where did they get all of those cars?”

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 3, 2017

        Well, let’s see. Weev – who described himself as Jewish before he was released from prison and turned into a (((Hollywood Nazi))) – runs the technical side of DS – thus, has all those kid’s IP addresses. DS used to feature a Jewish terrorist, Joshua Goldberg. There are rumors that its main financier, “Colonel” something or other, is an Israeli.

        It looks like a typical $PLC funded “neo-Nazi” Hal Turner type operation. It reads like it. Their most famous public activist, “Azzmodor,” shows up to public events, finds the nearest Jew media camera, does “Hiel Hitler” and “denies the Holocaust” – on cue.

        If that isn’t a Jew run operation, I don’t know what is.

        All the stuff about “moving the Overton window” is basically nonsense. The whole extortion racket against Spencer’s mom is a case in point. The woman who was extorting her was immediately fired upon Mrs. Spencer releasing the emails. The Jew astro-turf group immediately distanced themselves.

        Then, the DS started trolling people and now there are dozens of articles in the media “Neo-Nazis Threaten Jews in Montana For No Reason At All.” The media coverage has next to nothing to say about the extortion racket. But they have what they want – (((Hollywood Nazis))) – their favorite characters.

        The writers at DS have time to post dozens of articles per day – it’s obviously a semi-professional outfit. Most articles basically take a news story, change the word “Jew” to “Kike” and add some anime cartoons.

        It may be amusing for kids – Anglin says his much of his audience is between 12 and 16 years old.

        But there have been (((Hollywood Nazi))) sites online since the beginning. All DS has added is the anime.

        What is this getting us? By the time those kids grow up, get girlfriends and a job, they aren’t going to “stay converted” – they are going to look at their previous online LARPing as just childish immaturity – which it is, of course. Many of them will likely be forced to do “mea culpas” in order to get a job.

        DS has basically one major success – they have successfully destroyed NPI, which if we’ll remember, was actually in a position to write white papers for the Trump administration, until the stupid kids showed up to “Heil Hitler” for the cameras. Trump and his entire administration immediately declared them persona non grata.

        At the end of the day it’s Spencer’s fault, but NPI had the possibility to become a serious pro-White lobby, our version of the ADL.

        Now? Go read Radix. It’s full of people posting anime memes and Nazi LARPing. It’s now just a carbon copy of the (((Daily Stormer))) itself, at least comment wise.

        (((Daily Stormer))) doesn’t “tell the truth” – nor is it “hardcore” or “to the right” of anyone. It’s juvenile idiocy, clownery.

        And the media now has their new “leader” of the “alt-right” – some guy Andrew Anglin, a short weird fellow who spent most of his life being anti-white, pro-Jew, and dating Asian third worlders. Pretty amazing, if you think about it.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 3, 2017

        @SamJ Oh another thing, I saw your comment on TOO. Notice how “Azzmodor” responded to you – gaslighting you and accusing you of being a “conspiracy theorist” and crazy.

        Isn’t it interesting how they are virtually indistinguishable from hasbara or the anti-fa? In fact, they want to BE a version of anti-fa. Same tactics, same language, same LARPiness.

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      • icareviews
        January 3, 2017

        The Daily Stormer’s jewiness, if indeed that’s what’s deliberately at work there, is more a matter of attitude, language, and presentation. I think that’s what HR is saying. It’s not necessarily that they’re lying, but that they’re LARPing.

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      • KSA
        January 4, 2017

        The point of jew-run Nazi sites/movements is to render counter-semitism silly and impotent. DS has consistently proven to be a successful and effective trolling site, particularly when it comes to younger people. One thing jews would never do is expose the young to pro-NS stuff. I seriously doubt DS is controlled opposition.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        How do you define “success” when it comes to trolling?

        Traditionally, a “successful troll” meant you got on TV. That is also how the (((Daily Stormer))) defines success.

        So, when a headline runs, “Nazis Threaten Jews In Montana” – that is a success.

        Now, how does that help the cause of White people in 2017?

        As for traffic – porn sites get more traffic than (((DS))) – so that means porn is more successful. Is that the standard?

        “One thing jews would never do is expose the young to pro-NS stuff.”

        They have an entire channel nicknamed “The Hitler Channel.” They have a 50 year long history of setting up fake “neo-Nazi” groups. They talk about Hitler and the Nazis ALL THE TIME.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        Also, (((DS))) published a Jewish disinformation artist, Joshua Goldberg. The case is open and shut.

        Why are so many people in denial about the obvious?

        Even if they aren’t taking a paycheck – they aren’t even really pro-White. Anglin isn’t pro-White and has never been pro-White. He went straight from anti-white pro-Jew pro-Black and pro-Asian to (((Hollywood Nazi))) over the course of a few months.

        Weev – who claimed to be Jewish – turned (((Hollywood Nazi))) the second he was released from prison early.

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      • KSA
        January 4, 2017

        DS is successful due to its humor, utilization of memes, and brazenness. And yes it has enjoyed real-world impact. A couple years back, a holohoax survivor planned to hold a public conference. DS stepped in, threatened to troll her with some awkward questions, and the event was cancelled.

        If DS is a jew operation, what on earth is its endgame? Making National Socialists look fun, hip and cool? Anglin going from liberal to NS doesn’t mean anything. I myself am a former liberal and practically became a WN overnight when I read up on the bolshevik crimes in the USSR.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        How do you define “successful?” I gave two relevant metrics and explained why they aren’t “successful” in the sense of actually doing anything good for White people.

        “Making National Socialists look fun, hip and cool? ”

        I guess we have very, very different ideas of “fun, hip and cool.” They come across as the worst, most cringiest form of basement dwelling autists to me. From what I’ve seen of them in real life – they live up to the stereotypes.

        “Anglin going from liberal to NS doesn’t mean anything.”

        Yeah, too bad he skipped the whole “pro-White” phase and went straight from anti-white to (((Hollywood Nazi))) within six months.

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    • KSA
      January 4, 2017

      I just looked up the Joshua Goldberg fiasco. Here’s what happened, according to DS:

      http://www.dailystormer.com/wacko-jew-terrorist-joshua-goldberg-attempted-to-infiltrate-the-daily-stormer/

      So Anglin published some articles written by a jew infiltrator. Doesn’t really show anything other than jews, obviously, try to infiltrate all opposition movements.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        Anglin couldn’t tell the difference between a professional Jew propagandist and his own work.

        What does that tell us?

        So – if Anglin is NOT getting paid to write Jew propaganda – he is doing it as a volunteer – just six months after he was openly pro-Jew.

        This really isn’t complicated.

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        Off-topic, you might enjoy this. I watched this fairly famous 80s movie last night and was shocked by how … frankly, RACIST the whole thing was:

        https://icareviews.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/nazi-psycho-bitch-in-the-mist/

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  5. Hipster Racist
    January 2, 2017

    Well, never heard of the guy nor seen any of those movies so I have nothing to say on the topic.

    But it would be interesting to compare and contrast Hollywood with another country’s film/TV industry and note the differences.

    I’ve been watching this Australian series called Underbelly, which is sort of a mix between the Sopranos and Law and Order. It’s based on real organized crime figures in Australia and it’s mostly true to life, if a bit fictionalized.

    There’s no question that the series is influenced by American film culture but some differences are really apparent.

    I spent a summer in Australia years ago and some things that are different about the culture are interesting. While America was founded by religious fanatics, Australia was founded by criminals. There is no Puritanism in Australia, thus no political correctness.

    People swim naked, the TV shows never miss an opportunity to show a hot woman’s boobs, prostitution is legal. Two guys getting in a bar fight would never result in an arrest unless someone gets seriously injured.

    While people don’t go around using racial slurs all the time, casual “racism” is a given. While there is a sort of feminism in Australia, there’s nothing like the weird third wave style we have here or in Britain – saying that men and women are the same except for their plumbing would just have people thinking you’re some sort of nutjob. They do have an LGBT movement but they don’t do “gay marriage” and people simply tolerate them and do not celebrate them at all.

    There is an open and almost acceptable pro-White politics there – Australia was in fact officially “White Nationalist” by law until the 1960s. (TOO did a series about the Jews behind the repeal not long ago.)

    There is no “Nazi LARPing” at all. While there was a TV show that made fun of Hitler, there simply is no association between pro-White politics and World War III Germany. Pro-White politics in Australia are based on White Australians and have absolutely nothing to do with “Hitler.” There is a Jew lobby there, it’s powerful, and it does the same as ours does, but AFAICT they never hired actors to play Hollywood Nazi like they have here for 50 years.

    There was a Fascist movement pre World War II called the New Guard, and they even did Roman salutes and the like, but it was all patriotic British Australian with zero fetishization of foreign governments.

    It would be interesting to compare their film industry to ours. I suspect that there is plenty of Jewish influence in the Australian film industry – and they are heavily influenced by American movies – but I suspect it’s very different and not nearly as Jewish as Hollywood.

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    • icareviews
      January 2, 2017

      You’ve never seen From Here to Eternity? You’re a bigger freak than Clift!

      I tend to enjoy Australian movies. I saw a mediocre one a while back, Summer City, which has an early and undistinguished appearance by Mel Gibson; but most of the others are fairly interesting. My exposure to their film industry is mostly limited to 70s and 80s films, however. I’d recommend the biker (or “bikie”) flick Stone to anybody who hasn’t seen it, especially those who enjoyed the Mad Max films, since there’s some overlap in personnel between the two. An interesting portrait of Australian youth in the 70s is The F.J. Holden (a type of Aussie-made car), and a grim Oz prison movie is Stir. Australia even made a pretty awesome kung fu adventure called The Man from Hong Kong. Maybe because the ones I’ve seen are older, there doesn’t seem to be as much jewy content, with miscegenation and feminism and immigration and gay propaganda and the like, with the exception of a fairly depressing early 70s character study called Wake in Fright, which involves latent homosexuality. I’m pretty sure that one was made by a Jew who wasn’t even an Australian, though.

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      • icareviews
        January 2, 2017

        Actually, come to think of it, The Man from Hong Kong does have an anti-racist message, with George Lazenby playing a bigoted villain. It also contains an instance of the comparatively rare Asian guy/white woman liaison. It isn’t the least bit sexy, and just seems sort of funny seeing a white woman pretending to be sexually interested in this weird-looking Asian guy. It’s great as an action movie, though, if you can get past the lovemaking scene.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 2, 2017

        You really should check out “Underbelly” – if you have any appreciation for Gangster/Mafia movies, it’s pretty top notch. Sometimes it’s hard to understand their weird accents, but it’s as good as any Hollywood Mafia movie – as good as Goodfellas or even Godfather – seriously, it’s that great.

        It’s also even more interesting in that it’s pretty damn close to true history – it’s all based on fact, only a tiny bit fictionalized. I’ve watched the first 5 seasons now.

        Racism? Check – open and honest.

        Sexism? Check – open and honest.

        You can watch most of it in youtube. I don’t know how Jewish it is – even though one of the main characters in the 1920s (Season 5 I think) is called “Phil the Jew.” He was the main cocaine dealer.

        I’ve been trying to figure out a “White” angle to write about this series – it’s the best thing I’ve seen since the Sopranos.

        And no, I’ve never watched any of the movies you are discussing in this post. I have some sort of vague memory of some of the titles, I guess. “From Here to Eternity” – nah, doesn’t ring a bell. I’ve heard of the Nurenburg movie, only through WN stuff as far as I can remember. I’m not really a big movie guy.

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      • icareviews
        January 3, 2017

        From Here to Eternity is especially famous for a lovemaking scene on a beach with the waves lapping up against Burt Lancaster. You’ve probably seen that clip sampled at some point even if you’ve never actually watched the movie. It was pretty daring sexually speaking for 1953.

        I’ll make a note of Underbelly.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 2, 2017

        LOL – one hilarious scene in Underbelly is when the corrupt police are about to arrest a drug dealer. He’s got dozens of pounds of weed in his truck, and the cops ask him, “do you mind if we search your car?”

        The drug dealer says, “no way, not without a warrant.”

        The cops respond, “Warrant? Hey mate, you’ve been watching too many Yank TV shows” – punch him in the face, search his truck, and arrest him.

        KEK.

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      • icareviews
        January 3, 2017

        I have mixed feelings about scenes like this in movies. On the one hand, you can definitely identify with the Dirty Harry style of no-nonsense cop who breaks the rules to get the job done regardless of what the whiny ACLU types say; but on the other hand I think a lot of this stuff is designed to soften people up for authoritarian government and to see brutish exercise of arbitrary power as fun and entertaining. Whether these portrayals are beneficial or not, I suppose, ultimately depends on who wields the power. You want those Dirty Harry cops out there and working for our side, but don’t want the enemy to have that same liberty. If you look at Lean on Me, for instance, it’s basically about this fascistic black jerk played by Morgan Freeman who comes in and turns an urban jungle high school into a model institution by putting his foot down and stomping on everybody’s rights and special snowflake feelings. All the blacks end up loving him for it, and as a white person you’re supposed to be inspired to believe that these disadvantaged urban youths can be reached and made to excel through proper guidance – but you’re also supposed to think it’s cool that this tough black alpha male comes in and starts bossing everybody around – whites included.

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  7. Sam J.
    January 3, 2017

    You might like this movie. True story about a life time criminal. Lots of violence but good movie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_(film)

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  8. Hipster Racist
    January 4, 2017

    I included that quip because it reveals an attitude towards “Yanks.” Plus, in Underbelly, a major aspect is that a huge faction of the police force is corrupt and in fact runs the drug trade – they wound up having a huge national investigation into it. But the police brutality is relatively frank and not all of the brutal cops are necessarily corrupt – especially not in the 1920s era.

    Mafia movie always have that sort of moral dilemma – they are anti-heroes. As guys, you can’t help but somewhat admire these tough talking, violent, womanizing criminals. But on the other hand, no one can really live like that except a sociopath.

    And yeah, it goes back to what Nolen says about Orwell’s “Stories for Boys” and power worship.

    I remember Lean on Me – it’s based on a real guy supposedly. It was sort of an antidote to all those “Nice White Ladies Saves Urban Youth Through Love and Education” movies that were popular at the time. It’s still a liberal white fantasy, but this time the fantasy is “return of the Black Father” who will clean up the mess in the ghetto.

    As for DS, yeah – they are basically a mirror image of their supposed enemies. They are Jewey that way. It still would not surprise me at all if they were literally being paid by the ADL. I’d bet money that some of their prominent members, at least online – are, in fact, getting paychecks. They are just too perfect, too Hollywood.

    But yeah more it disgusts me that it’s yet more idiotic LARPing. If they would just stick to being trolls, no one would care. But now they have ruined what was the best pro-White organization we had going – although at the end of the day the fault rests fully with Spencer himself, who should have known better.

    I just don’t see any of these people as legitimately pro-white. Being an American White Nationalist has literally nothing to do with Hitler, much less the Hollywood version.

    And all the idiocy about the Holocaust makes me even more suspicious, frankly. The Holocaust culture peaked in the 90s – even Jerry Seinfeld was mocking Schindler’s List. The Holocaust was a forgotten bit of history that literally no one cared about.

    But of course Anglin talks about the Holocaust more than Jews do. We could be discussing Israeli treatment of the Palestinians, but no, Anglin says the only way to beat the Jews is to “debunk the Holocaust.”

    And Enoch of course wants to talk about the Holocaust – but not 9/11. Hitler LARPing is fine, but no 9/11 revisionism? Tell me that is not suspicious as hell.

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    • icareviews
      January 4, 2017

      I actually differ with you on revisionism. It isn’t a focus of my work, but I do think it’s crucial to discredit the court historians’ versions of events like the Civil War and World War II, if only because these tales continue to furnish the template for discussion of race relations in the U.S. and the justification of war. The “Holocaust” is invoked constantly in politics, so it’s fair game and a necessary target for dismantling the morality of the status quo in my view. You don’t want to come right out of the gate with “the Holocaust is a fucking hoax, man!” if you’re testing the waters with somebody who might be receptive to identitarianism; but at the same time people shouldn’t back down an inch on this issue when challenged – and identitarianism is challenged on a daily basis on precisely the grounds that it’s going to lead to another “Holocaust”. Iran has to be stopped to avoid an Israeli “Holocaust”. The “Holocaust” was even invoked in the propaganda to invade Iraq in a totally unprovoked war. And the sad thing is that this mythological voodoo still works on so many people because they think all those zillions of bodies in the Bergen-Belsen footage are Jews who were gassed in a death camp by evil German white supremacists because their noses were too big or something. World War II was as disastrous as anything that ever happened to the white race in the twentieth century, but whites by and large still cheer this genocidal idiocy about the “good war” and buy into this paradigm according to which it’s the job of the U.S. to intervene to promote “democracy” wherever anti-Semitism or nationalism threatens multiculturalism or hurts bankers’ feelings. You can’t even be a goddamned pacifist without being accused of being a Neville Chamberlain style appeaser and probable anti-Semite. Minds left and right alike are marinaded in this thought-neutralizing sewage.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        It just keeps things in their frame: Jews, Hitler, Nazi, Holocaust.

        Why not discuss the Holomodor? Or the Armenian genocide?

        But either way, it has nothing to do with American White Nationalism. It’s a distraction, at best. And only Jews talk about the Holocaust as a justification for this or that.

        They spend all that energy trying to tie down white interests into the historical ghetto of 12 years in Germany for a reason.

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        There actually is a lot of Holodomor stuff out there from white nationalists. The Armenian genocide is a little too exotic and seemingly irrelevant, I guess. Most Americans don’t even know where Armenia is. And it’s not just Jews who talk about the Holocaust. If I turn on the radio and listen to cuckservative shows for very long, I’m guaranteed to hear some reference to appeasement or some comparison of Obama to Neville Chamberlain for not bombing Iran or some retarded bullshit like that. “Gun control? That’s what Hitler did before he killed six million innocent Jews!” Same thing with the Civil War. The lefty shite site Jacobin had some story about Richard Spencer recently and they literally included a picture of some KKK guys marching in sheets. White identity? You must want blacks back in chains! That crap has to become a joke so people will stop taking it seriously; and, while I have problems with the Right Stuff crowd, I do think they and others have done a great job of turning “Holocaust” propaganda into a laughing stock. They’re jerks and shills, but some of their work has been fairly effective in that regard.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        The difference with the Civil War and slavery and Jim Crow is simple: that is actually part of our heritage. We have to own that.

        We don’t have to own any “Nazi” stuff at all, because it has nothing to do with us.

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        Slavery benefited Jews and the rich in the South (and some areas of Northern states, as well, where it remained legal even after the outbreak of the war) and did nothing for the typical white southerner but suppress the value of labor and doom their descendants to dysgenic urban hellholes. I “own” nothing slavery-related, nor do blacks today deserve any sympathy for being descended from enslaved Africans from over a century ago. If anything, American blacks, whose standard of living is higher than that of any of their cousins back on the Dark Continent, owe whites some gratitude for suffering their presence since the abolition of the peculiar institution.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        See? Now that is an effective argument about slavery. That would resonate with White Americans far more than technical details about the chemical composition of NSDAP soap bubbles.

        Say one thing about the neo-Confederates – at least they represent an actual American nation and actual American history – unlike the Nazi/Holocaust stuff.

        And by “owning it” – what you are doing is exactly what I mean. Ignore the Holocaust, debunk Mississippi Burning. That will get us farther than anything.

        And if we’re going to do historical revisionism, 9/11 was just 15 years ago and it sure looks to me like Israel had a lot to do with it. The majority of Americans believe that “the government” either knew or was somehow involved in 9/11.

        Yet few, if any, in the American so-called “WN” movement want to touch 9/11 – they’d rather talk about Germany 75 years ago. Why? Apparently, because they had better uniforms. Who knew that WNs were such fans of Hugo Boss?

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        I’ve also seen surveys that suggest a high level of 9/11 skepticism, but I’m not convinced these are accurate. Maybe it’s only where I live, but I’m surrounded by nothing but zombified ignorance. A while back my boss, a very intelligent, cultured man, was kidding around and made some dumb joke about how water is bad for him and he only drinks alcohol. I mentioned in passing that tap water actually wasn’t very healthy to drink because of the contaminants in it and that there were studies connecting fluoridated tap water with lower IQs, and his immediate reaction was to ask me sarcastically, “Do you watch The X-Files”? I didn’t say “There’s an Illuminati Jew UFO conspiracy to poison goy children with pedophile fluoride LSD!” I just made a remark about the quality of tap water and yet that was enough to set off his kook alarm. This guy even still believes that Oswald was just a nut lone gunman, and so do lots of other people. People in their 30s and younger are waking up in greater numbers, but on the whole I think a lot of the claims of public skepticism of official narratives are still overly optimistic – at least for now.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        I once took a cab in New Jersey – the driver was black. He looked at me through the rear-view mirror and asked if I was Jewish. I said, no, I’m Christian.

        I was then entertained for the rest of the ride by, essentially, a lively speech about Jews right out of Mein Kampf.

        So, in a lot of ways, this black guy was more “woke” than your Midwestern boss. If I had taken a cab in Cleveland, Ohio, by a white cab driver, I’d probably be lectured about how Muslims are taking over and Obama implemented sharia law.

        But I would argue the black cabbie wasn’t really more “woke” than the white cabbie. I would argue they are both ill informed.

        But in any sort of racial conflict – social or otherwise – I bet the cab drive would take the side of whites, while the cab driver would take the side of blacks and “POC.”

        I also bet that the cab driver would still take the side of whites even if some Jew, pretending to be “White,” told him something about the Holocaust and Hitler so we can’t be “racist.”

        There are some historical narratives pro-Whites don’t need to debunk – the Holocaust, for one. It just doesn’t matter to anyone who grew up on the internet, and anyone who is curious would easily find all the debunking sites. I doubt most people under 30 – hell under 50 – really give a damn either way. Sure, ask some clueless white gal and she’ll say Hitler was bad – but that doesn’t mean she will then turn around and vote for mass race replacing immigration.

        I recall the truther guy who does “We Are Change” at the “spontaneous celebration” outside of the White House the day they “caught Osama Bin Laden.” The We Are Change guy is interviewing one of the people “celebrating” and brings up some of the relevant facts. The guy he’s interviewing just smirks and says, “hey man don’t get into those conspiracy theories you might get in trouble!”

        The message being, he didn’t “believe” anything one way or another, but he knew what story he was supposed to pretend to believe it.

        Most people really don’t care either way.

        I’m not knocking any form of historical revisionism and truth. I’m simply suggesting that quite a bit of it isn’t relevant to pro-White advocacy. I’ve read plenty of criticism of Hitler and the NSDAP from a pro-White perspective – but the Nazi LARPers hated that even worse than they hated the “official story” – because those people are not pro-White – they are fetishists.

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        My work hopefully speaks for itself. I don’t obsess about WW2 and the “Holocaust”, but I don’t shy away from those subjects either. Focusing on that stuff to the exclusion of everything else is clearly a kind of ghettoization; but we can agree to disagree as to the relevance. I don’t think of revisionism and LARPing as being at all the same thing. There are figures like Ernst Zundel and Mark Weber who straddle the two worlds, but Bradley Smith, David Cole, Germar Rudolf, Carlo Mattogno, and those guys hardly come across as a Halloween show. They just seem like fairly normal individuals, and they have important things to say. Smith makes clear that “Holocaust” revisionism is a free speech issue, which liberals are supposed to love. That in itself has propaganda value.

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      • Sam J.
        January 5, 2017

        As for the Holohoax my fable got censored by Occidental Observer. Maybe you’ll like it.

        A fable. The little Jew who cried Holohoax.

        Once there was a little Jew who cried Holohoax. All the villagers came running. Everyone became concerned and tried to find the Nazis and the camps but couldn’t. So everyone went home. The little Jew loved this. Such power to have everyone run at his call. The next day the little Jew cried Holohoax again. A search was began but no one could find the Nazis and the camps. The little Jew was so happy. Such power. He laughed at the stupidity of the villagers. As time went on the little Jew would cry Holohoax every now and then. People would look once again for the Nazis and the camps but every time they looked a little less and trusted the Jew a little less.

        One day the little Jew cried Holohoax and nobody came but the Nazis really were there. The Nazis gassed him, burnt him up in the ovens and the little Jew was no more.

        I think pointing out the Holahoax is excellent. Their story of 6 million just doesn’t add up. Let’s just look at the picture of thousands of starved dead Jews. They use this all the time to prove that it happened but a little thinking will tel you it takes months to starve to where you are that skinny. Why didn’t they just gas them and burn them up? What a few thousand more? The pictures don’t comport to common sense.

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      • icareviews
        January 5, 2017

        I get what you’re saying, but I think the sentence that got your comment censored was, “The Nazis gassed him, burnt him up in the ovens and the little Jew was no more.” I try to be careful about saying anything that could be misconstrued as an endorsement of violence, and I heartily recommend that others do the same. The line can be a fine one sometimes in joking about gassings, etc. MacDonald and his collaborators probably just feel like they already take enough heat as it is.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 5, 2017

        MacDonald has said that he is not a Holocaust revisionist and thinks it was a great tragedy. Also, the moderator doesn’t allow Holocaust revisionism.

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      • icareviews
        January 5, 2017

        Lame. It isn’t as if they’ll garner any respect from the mainstream by doing that.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 5, 2017

        It’s an international site that wants to stay open to German and French (and other European) writers.

        It’s not about garnering respect with the mainstream. It’s about not breaking laws – and not getting bogged down in irrelevancy either.

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      • icareviews
        January 5, 2017

        The very fact that it’s against the law to speak the truth about it in those countries you mention DEMONSTRATES precisely its present-day relevance as a muzzle on free European speech. It’s so irrelevant that it appears in mainstream “news” stories LITERALLY every goddamned day:

        https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=holocaust

        Having said that, however, I can understand them not wanting to get their site censored in Europe.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 5, 2017

        As long as Holocaust revisionism is championed by the likes of Anglin it will never gain any traction anyway – not even as a free speech issue. As far as I can tell, it’s already been “revised” – even that one Jew who wrote the “Holocaust Industry” accused his fellow Jews of lying about it.

        If you want to defeat the Holocaust narrative, you are simply going to have to use a better tactic. Them’s the breaks.

        The first article by MW I read was about just this issue – he suggested that instead of “debunking” it merely treat it as a religious issue. Elie Weisel was in the religion department, remember. RamZPaul has also suggested this.

        No one listens.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        … quoth the man in the muzzle.

        Something championed by Anglin will never gain any traction? Guess there’s no point in anybody doing podcasts, having websites, or wearing clothes, either, since Anglin does all of those things and renders these activities irrelevant by association.

        Norman Finkelstein doesn’t say the “Holocaust” is a hoax, but that it’s exploited for nefarious purposes.

        It’s true that the “Holocaust” has been “revised”. The plaque at Auschwitz was changed after the work of revisionists made the tourist trap’s four million dead claim untenable. That victory didn’t occur because people pretended Europeans’ psychological enslavement and cuckolding was “irrelevant” to our future.

        I think you underestimate the impact of the “Holocaust” on European psychology. A “white Hispanic” I used to know – a lightish-skinned man of Mexican origin who moved in white social circles – once told me that the “Holocaust” had contributed to his loss of faith. How could God exist or be good if he had allowed six million Jews to be murdered by evil Germans? Even Mexicans, who had diddly squat to do with Germany’s Jewish policy, have been infected with this guilt complex, apparently. His wife, a very attractive blonde, was “ashamed” to have German ancestors for that same reason, he confided to me – even though her German ancestors weren’t Nazis.

        Speaking from personal experience, I can tell you that, while I never articulated this to myself at the time, the “Holocaust” did haunt my formative political development to some extent, acting as a check on what might have been my metapolitical preferences. I never wasted much time thinking about the “Holocaust” or found it very interesting, but it was always present in the background somewhere, haunting the nationalist impulse. Learning the facts about it was a liberating and motivating experience.

        You have to remember that you’re a few years older than me and that people who were coming up in public schools in the 1990s have been positively saturated with this garbage. I remember resenting the overbearing emphasis on this topic, being made to read Elie Wiesel’s Night and watch the Diary of Anne Frank movie with Millie Perkins besides being indoctrinated in history class; but that didn’t mean that I didn’t believe the general truth of the premise.

        The “Holocaust”, full of holes as it is, was a genius stroke of European demoralization and Jewish geopolitical empowerment. It has everything to do with why so many Europeans either can’t or won’t fight back against demographic dispossession, and gets cited explicitly as a model illustrating why Europe is now obligated to accommodate millions of foreign undesirables. The “Holocaust” story can’t just be ignored; it has to be deconstructed and smashed – forever.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        Oh no I remember Holocaust propaganda quite well – I guess I just filed it away with all the other atrocities I read about. I also remember some early revisionism free speech fights – none other than Noam Chomsky wrote a forward to a revisionist book, defending the author’s free speech, for which he was attacked by his fellow Jews mercilessly. In fact, the outright demonization of German people quite turned me off and maybe even contributed to my Judeo-skepticism.

        Some seem to share the Jew idea that “we” are all really Nazi sympathizers and “we” are just hiding it. Not me. I’m not a Nazi, a Nazi sympathizer, a neo-Nazi, nor any permutation thereof. I’m also not a fascist.

        There are many reasons for that, but the main reason is that I’m allergic to any form of historical LARPing. If a German was some sort of neo-Nazi, I’d say it’s legitimate. For Americans to pretend to be “neo-Nazis” is either pure ADL subversion (historically it virtually always ways) or painful, teenage rebellion of the same piece as 1980s “Satanic” heavy metal the kids used to scandalize their parents with.

        As I said earlier, the Holocaust Narrative is not the source of Jewish power, it’s an expression of Jewish power. If the media promoted the Nakba 24/7 and Hollywood made tear-jerk movies about it, we’d all be sympathetic with the Palestinians. In the modern USA, the various slave/KKK narratives are likely the only thing keeping most White Americans from being 1950s style segregationists.

        I’m not at all against Holocaust revisionism. What I am against is keeping White advocacy in the Jew vs. Nazi paradigm. We’re all here explaining that White people have a right to exist and various groups are trying to genocide us, then some “neo-Nazi” type pops up and interjects, “yeah and the Holocaust is fake but we should kill all the Jew for real this time! Hitler was right!”

        The Jews have created this neo-Nazi boogey-man – and primed people to hate them – and we have the Anglin types saying, “well they are going to call us a Nazi so we may as well be a Nazi, and the most historically illiterate and painfully childish version as possible!”

        The feminists used to constantly call the “manosphere” types pedophiles. Imagine if some manosphere type said, “well they are going to call us a pedophile so we may as well be a pedophile!”

        Maybe I’m immune to some of the Holocaust programming because I had a coach who was a German WWII vet. After reading Night in school, I went to him in horror and asked him, in youthful horror, “did you guys really do this stuff?” He patiently and wistfully told me stories of being a 14 year old draftee in 1943, fighting for “God and country.” For him, it wasn’t about “Jews” at all – I’m certain he had never met a Jew, or even known what one was. He was fighting because he country was under attack and he was a patriot – well that, and the fact that he was an almost-adult warm male body and was forced to.

        Maybe that gave me some perspective. But if he had given me some long argument about how the Germans were completely innocent and gas chambers were impossible and that no Jews were harmed, I don’t think it would be nearly as effective.

        You yourself are saying that the Holocaust propaganda works emotionally – so why would anyone expect that it could be countered scientifically?

        To repeat: if one Jew was harmed in World War II, that is enough “Holocaust” for Jewish purposes. And the Nazi were anti-Jew, and did kill Jews. They did demonize Jews. Therefore, the “Holocaust” is real.

        There are many ways to fight the anti-White propaganda of which the Holocaust narrative is a part.

        First, just step over it. Just ignore it.

        Second, put World War II in context with all the other horrific atrocities that are common in warfare.

        Third, point out Jewish malfeasance and the legitimate grievances the Germans had against the Jews, like Communism and the Holomodor.

        Forth, point out contemporary and historical Jewish atrocities which also puts the German anti-semitism in perspective.

        Fifth, put the onus of the Jews as to why it’s relevant in America, the nation that defeated the Nazi and has always treated Jews pretty well.

        Sixth, point out that the Shoah is a religious concept – that’s why Wisel was in the religion department, not the history department, and explain that we’re not religious Jews so the concept of a Shoah is meaningless to us.

        See? There are all sorts of ways to counter the anti-white propaganda aspect of the Holocaust Narrative, and none of them require us to either LARP as a “Nazi” nor bore anyone with the details of gas chamber chemistry. I’ve never had any problem with any scientific and historical Holocaust revisionism – what I question is WHY it is tied so closely to White advocacy – considering that Jews spent all of their time trying to do the same thing – WHY do their work for them?

        As for Anglin and the “Alt Right” label – the entire reason the “Alt Right” label was useful is because it was a new label that allowed people to step over the baggage of the term “White Nationalist.” I never particularly liked it anyway, I always preferred “pro-White” or “Nationalist” or just “White” even. But “Alt Right” caught on, and I was happy using the label for the most part because it was a “big tent” approach.

        But now that Spencer has conceded the label to Anglin style (((Hollywood Nazism))) I don’t see how it’s useful anymore.

        In fact, I’ve noticed that, increasingly, Republicans and conservatives are attacking Democrats and the SJW types by calling them “alt left” – simply turning the “alt” label right around on them. If “Alt-Right” is a code for “neo-Nazi” than they will just use “Alt Left” as a code for “neo-Commie.” The leftists are actually quite defensive about it, so it appears that rhetorical tactic is working.

        “WN” has been stuck in the same idiotic paradigm “gifted” us by that idiot Costume Clown, George Lincoln Rockwell, for 50 years now. It hasn’t worked, and the new generation of Rockwells – Anglin and his Tard Corral – don’t even have the dignity and intellectual heft that Rockwell did. They took all the worst aspects of his presentation and stripped it of any substance.

        It’s fun for kids, I guess, in the same way that the “Church of Satan” was fun for heavy metal kids rebelling against their Christian parents in the 1980s.

        Considering that the (((Daily Stormer))) spends more time attacking reasonable pro-White people than they do anti-Whites, I say it’s pretty damn obvious what they are all about. The Israeli rapist that funds it is now attempting to purge TheRightStuff.biz of anyone questioning the “whiteness” of certain groups – I’d say that is telling in and of itself, considering his background. He’s actually lobbying to replace certain admins at TheRightStuff.biz with some new people who are more in line with (((Daily Stormer.)))

        I’ve always defended Spencer when he made the inevitable mistakes, but I’m starting to understand some of the criticism – the alcoholism, the egotism, the attention-seeking. Those can actually be good for a public figure – it takes an ego and a love of attention to be a public figure of any kind. But if Spencer is going to side with (((Daily Stormer))) internet trolls, instead of doing the hard work of creating a pro-White lobby – I certainly have no use for him.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        “You yourself are saying that the Holocaust propaganda works emotionally – so why would anyone expect that it could be countered scientifically?”

        Because it was the forensics that swayed me. I’d never really looked into the logistics of how the gas chambers or any of that were supposed to work until I watched the documentaries made by David Cole, Denier Bud, and Eric Hunt.

        “Fifth, put the onus of [i.e., on] the Jews as to why it’s relevant in America, the nation that defeated the Nazi and has always treated Jews pretty well.”

        You have to remember, though, that America is also the country of slave-whipping Founding Fathers, Andrew Jackson, Henry Ford, and the soapmaker himself, Charles Lindbergh. America, in the Judeo-mainstream worldview, has a dual inheritance of love and hate that lends itself to this unending battle between the forces of progressivism and retrograde white males.

        “I’ve never had any problem with any scientific and historical Holocaust revisionism – what I question is WHY it is tied so closely to White advocacy”

        You’re still trying to figure this out? It’s tied to white advocacy because the “Holocaust” is central to anti-white advocacy. That’s like asking why civilians need to be worried about some plane just because it happens to be dropping bombs on them.

        Meanwhile, in a sixth grade classroom somewhere in middle America:

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        the “Holocaust” is central to anti-white advocacy.

        So deconstruct that. Why are they using the “Holocaust” to attack White Americans, who had nothing to do with the “Holocaust” and in fact defeated the Nazis?

        I say you’re wrong anyway – the slave/KKK and “genocide of the Native Americans” narratives are far more central to anti-White American activism than the “Holocaust.”

        I say it’s YOU that were freaked out by the Holocaust Narrative. I got just as much of it as you did – likely more, frankly, I’m at most a few years older than you. I had to read Night, I saw Schindler’s List, Anne Frank, the whole 9 yards. I, in fact, may have even got it more because it was sometimes mixed in with Christianity and even a bit of “God’s Chosen Jews” stuff.

        Here’s a way to fight that Holocaust propaganda directed at sixth graders – demand equal time for the Nakba, or the Holomodor.

        Even if the Holocaust Narrative was 100% true – even if 6 million, or 600 million, Jews were killed – what does that have to do with me? I didn’t kill anyone.

        There are all sorts of ways to fight anti-White propaganda, but we’re supposed to choose the least effective way, because you felt guilty as a kid because of some lurid war propaganda?

        Sorry, the Slaves/Indians narratives are far more central to anti-White American brainwashing than 15 years of German history.

        But anyway – when I wrote “Flip the Script” taking on ALL THREE of those narratives, you objected. What gives?

        I thought the goal was to advocate for White interests – not “debunk” gas chambers.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        The funny thing about that post “Flip the Script” is that, if you go back and read what you actually wrote, you rejected options that you’re now advocating. At that time you seemed to have a problem with talking about the Holodomor.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        “Flip the Script” was strategic, not tactical nor logistic. Perhaps it wasn’t obvious.

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      • Sam J.
        January 8, 2017

        “…But now that Spencer has conceded the label to Anglin style (((Hollywood Nazism))) I don’t see how it’s useful anymore…”

        Three people showed up at a talk by Spencer and started throwing Nazi salutes. They’re plants I’m sure and how is Spencer responsible for plants? I don’t see how Spencer has conceded anything to anyone and he has no responsibility to explain Jewish planted disrupters.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 8, 2017

        No, one of those three people was Mike Enoch of TheRightStuff.biz, and one of the ones at the Texas speech was “Azzmodor” of the (((Daily Stormer.)))

        Spencer responded by doing a podcast with both of them and basically explicitly endorsing both of them.

        This, after Anglin’s outfit spent nearly two years attacking Spencer and NPI, calling Spencer a homosexual, calling him a sex trafficker, calling him a thief running a pyramid scheme, calling his wife non-white (don’t expect them to be consistent) and calling him a “cuck” who sucks up to Jews.

        Then, Mike Enoch does a “Hitler salute” and (((Daily Stormer))) turned on a dime and endorsed Spencer (obviously, in coordination with the media’s campaign against Spencer.)

        Spencer, apparently, took the bait, now even as Anglin is claiming he tells Spencer what to do – Spencer is fine with it.

        Spencer is a cuck all right – he cucked to Anglin. Anglin’s got the bigger dick, obviously. Anglin is Spencer’s boss.

        Andrew Anglin is now the undisputed leader of the Alt-Right.

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  9. bob saffron
    January 4, 2017

    Agreed on revisionism. The study of Zyklon B, crematoria and logistics is less interesting than the concerted power of Organized Jewry to promote the Holocaust gas-chambers-six-million narrative and shut down contrary opinions.

    Only when that narrative is debunked can the Gentile guilt-tripping mechanism be disarmed. Besides, the story per se is so ridiculous, that powerful sentences are definitely required to keep it afloat. The truth, 9/11 or otherwise, is a great rallying point.

    Besides, Holodomor and Holocaust are joined at the hip.

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    • bob saffron
      January 4, 2017

      P.S.: Being duped most of your life is energizing. Never again!

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      • Sam J.
        January 8, 2017

        Agreed.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 4, 2017

      You’re both wrong.

      Let’s say you “debunked” all the lies and mythology and exaggerations about the “Holocaust.” If one Jew was killed – if one Jew was even injured – that is all the “Holocaust” they need to “guilt trip” Whites.

      Even if you “debunked” 100% of the “Holocaust” – they would just complain about the Inquisition, or the “Blood Libel” or the pogroms, or the fact that Uncle Schlomo wasn’t allowed in the Presbyterian golf club.

      More importantly – I’m an American. If a Jew ever tried to call me a “neo-Nazi” or somehow blame the “Holocaust” on me, I can simply say my grandfathers fought the Nazis and they are deplorable, ungrateful liars by trying to associate me with all that.

      Then, I’d just say they are simply using World War II as an excuse to genocide the Palestinians, and trying to justify mass immigration to genocide my people, White Americans.

      If someone wants to get into the details of World War II history – fine. Historical revisionism is always important.

      But what does that have to do with me, or us? What does any of that have to do with White identity, in America, in 2017?

      Absolutely nothing.

      You really have to ask yourself what sort of person wants to dress up as the Boogey Man created by the Jews at the ADL. There are two types of people that dress up like Nazis – Feds, and homosexual men.

      Consider this as well. The very first time I ever heard of the “Holocuaust” was when I was about six, and my friend asked me, “how many Jews can fit in an ashtray? Six million.”

      I had no idea what the hell he was talking about. People have been joking about “the Holocaust” longer than I’ve been alive. So explain to me how TheRightStuff and their oven memes are any different? Stand up comics have been doing Holocaust jokes for decades – even Jewish comedians like Jerry Seinfeld have mocked Schindler’s List. The fake Holocaust movie “The Liberators” was “debunked” as soon as it came out. The Jew David Cole was “debunking the Holocaust” on Oprah back in the 1980s.

      Did it stop mass immigration? No. Did is stop anti-whiteness? No.

      So – what’s the point? Who cares?

      No one cares about what happened 75 years ago across the ocean. It’s at best, a huge waste of time – at worst, it’s purposeful disruption mean to harm the pro-white movement.

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      • icareviews
        January 4, 2017

        “they would just complain about the Inquisition, or the ‘Blood Libel’ or the pogroms”

        That stuff has zero resonance with the American public. American high school history textbooks might have one paragraph about pogroms that most kids either don’t read or forget before the exam. I didn’t hear a single reference to the blood libel all the way through school and never heard of it until I was an adult. None of this other stuff has the same political impact that the “Holocaust” presently does, nor is it mobilized to marginalize anti-war dissent. The “Holocaust” is the basket they’ve chosen to put all of their eggs in, and consequently needs to be smashed. Your hypothetical proposition of a scenario in which the “Holocaust” is publicly discredited and then replaced by the blood libel as a rallying point is bizarre, to say the least, and assumes a rare forgiveness in the typical run of humanity. Once you’re redpilled on this stuff, you don’t go back to being a brainwashed Shabbos goy for anything. There’s no going back once you know who your enemies are and who’s been hoodwinking you all your life.

        “I can simply say my grandfathers fought the Nazis”

        Weakly defensive and counterproductive. People need to stop being happy about WW2 and acting like a connection to it is something to brag about.

        “You really have to ask yourself what sort of person wants to dress up as the Boogey Man created by the Jews at the ADL.”

        Straw man. That’s not even what I’m talking about. Debunking the “Holocaust” has nothing to do with dressing up like a Nazi. Nobody publishing studies of the “Holocaust” for the Barnes Review is LARPer as far as I know.

        “So – what’s the point? Who cares?”

        Nobody heard about that stuff. Comparatively few Americans were exposed to the work of Cole in the 90s and I’d never even heard of him or Liberators or Fred Leuchter or Ernst Zundel until I was in my thirties. Seinfeld only made light of the cartoonish earnestness of Schindler’s List the same way it mocked the seriousness of everything else in life. It did nothing to indicate to viewers that the material presented in the film was untrue. The thing with revisionism is that people simply haven’t been exposed to it in sufficient numbers. YouTube is changing that fast, however. Speaking personally, I can tell you that getting into 9/11 truth and learning the facts about the “Holocaust” are the principal reasons I write the sorts of articles I do today and why I’m so committed to countering Jewish power and propaganda. It was the point of no return, no possibility of contenting myself with some variation on libertarianism. The outrage of knowing you’ve been deceived is a powerful force and should be utilized to our advantage.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        No, not it all, it’s not in the slightest bit “weakly defensive.” Quite the opposite – it puts them on the defensive.

        Second of all – most importantly – the idea that the public will come to learn the Holocaust is a “hoax” and then some how “turn on the Jews for tricking us” – it’s bizarre fantasy.

        Third – which is it? On the one hand we’re told that the Holocaust is a really big taboo, then we’re told that it’s ok to do “Sieg Heils” because the Holocaust doesn’t resonate with the young today. Which is it?

        Lots of Jews were killed in World War II, and the Nazi were anti-semitic. That is all the “Holocaust” they need. So even if you debunked the lampshades and the soap and the magic showers and the Holy Six Million – it wouldn’t matter.

        Plus – the idea that Americans are going to get mad if they find out they were “tricked?” That’s absurd. Everyone knows the Gulf of Tonkin incident was faked now. Was there a surge of anger by the Vietnam vets? No.

        That’s just not how it works.

        What does work? Bob Whitaker style talking points. It’s current, it’s relevant.

        Historical revisionism is useful in and of itself – but the average person doesn’t give a damn about history. Get control of the media and the school and that will end the Holocaust Propaganda. But discussing the Holocaust – or Nazis – just turns you into a crank and a LARPer – especially when it is somehow tied to White advocacy.

        It doesn’t matter if 6 million – or 600 million – Jews were killed in World War II. None of that justifies White Genocide today.

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      • Sam J.
        January 5, 2017

        “…If a Jew ever tried to call me a “neo-Nazi” or somehow blame the “Holocaust” on me, I can simply say my grandfathers fought the Nazis and they are deplorable, ungrateful liars by trying to associate me with all that…”

        Very good point and could be extended to all “Americans as in America fought the Nazi”s…”

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      • Sam J.
        January 8, 2017

        “…Speaking personally, I can tell you that getting into 9/11 truth and learning the facts about the “Holocaust” are the principal reasons I write the sorts of articles I do today and why I’m so committed to countering Jewish power and propaganda…”

        I agree completely with this. We can’t let them continue to cover us up with lies. I’m sick of their lies.

        I must reiterate that I’m not necessarily for marching around and proclaiming this with banners and bullhorns, not that I’m against people who do, but when ever someone mentions it you should tell them the whole thing is a farce. When anyone mentions 9-11 or the Holahoax I say the government story is a lie and will tell they pertinent facts if they ask. I don’t browbeat them. Just a few facts that if they actually think about them show that all is not what it seems.

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    • Sam J.
      January 5, 2017

      Agree also. All these Jew lies should be countered as cumulative score card. Maybe one doesn’t get people to see the light but possibly another will. They do this to us by attacking us constantly from multiple positions. Works for them so far and the best short cut to winning is to copy the winners. As of right now it’s hard to argue the Jews are not the winners.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        My problem has always been with the stupid “Jews vs. Nazi” ghetto.

        Whether that means actually physically dressing up in Nazi uniforms holding “protests” or whether that means LARPing online with an anime Hitler avatar, or long boring diatribes, Greg Johnson style, about what Hitler ate for lunch and how that gave him gas, or the homoerotic nostalgia for uniforms and marches, or idiotic TRS style oven jokes – anything that keeps us in the “Nazi vs. Jew” ADL created ghetto is a loser.

        The serious historians doing serious historical revisionism are fine with me – more power to them. I’ve never criticized any actual Holocaust revisionist.

        If the Holocaust Narrative is a weapon, like a machine gun, how do you defend yourself?

        You can put on body armor, jump out in front of the machine gun, and hope your armor holds up.

        Or, you can just duck and cover, wait until he is reloading, and sneak up on the side and shoot the fucker.

        I guess the difference is whether you want to be called “brave” after you are dead, or you’re fine with someone calling you a “coward” after you have survived, and won.

        One of the stories I most heard about the founding of America was that sneaky George Washington used guerrilla tactics to defeat the British. While the British would line up in formation, us sneaky Americans would hide in the woods and sniper then off one by one.

        The British were appalled by our lack of manners, considering us savages. But we won.

        That narrative is likely more fictional than anything else, but I like the attitude anyway.

        Why is it that defending Americans (i.e., White Americans) from genocide has to be filtered through the Jew created “Nazi” angle anyway?

        Why must we always be associated with 12 years of German history 75 years ago? Why can’t we discuss our own history?

        To ask to question is to answer it.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        We’re not in disagreement about the usefulness of Nazi dress-up, but I’m not doing that or advocating that, so I guess I’m confused as to why you keep throwing that at me. On the subject of humor, though, I actually do think some of the TRS-style antics can be effective. It depends on whether or not it’s actually funny. If it is, sometimes people can be made to laugh in spite of themselves. Humor, don’t forget, was a huge part of mobilizing Americans to hate Nazis during WW2. Ethnonationalism was made to seem risible by associating it with pompous, absurd behavior in The Great Dictator and any number of cartoons. The same can be done and is being done with pretentious anti-white hyper-solemnity. Likewise, “nativism” was made to seem the province of ignoramuses with shows like All in the Family. Take a look at that “Murdoch Murdoch” YouTube channel and tell me a lot of that isn’t highly effective propaganda?

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        I love Murdoch Murdoch and have said so dozens of times. I’m perfectly fine with humor and mocking anti-white shibboleths. I’ve written dozens of blog posts mocking the Holocaust. I’ve even said I’m mostly fine with TheRightStuff.biz.

        But (((Daily Stormer))) is just different – it’s not funny, for one. They expect to be taken seriously, while at the same time expect all of their “mistakes” to be written off as “just humor.”

        I really don’t understand how I’m not getting through here. Being defensive about the “Holocaust” is playing in their frame.

        EVEN IF the Holocaust was 100% accurate – so fucking what? I didn’t kill anyone. I’m an American, we defeated the Nazis. If anything, the Jews should be kissing our ass thanking us for saving them. Instead, they try to blame the “Holocaust” on us.

        Why don’t we START from there? Get that part right, then we can delve into the mechanics of soap-making.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        “If anything, the Jews should be kissing our ass thanking us for saving them. Instead, they try to blame the ‘Holocaust’ on us.
        Why don’t we START from there? Get that part right […]”

        That part isn’t even right, though. How did Americans “save” Jews during the “Holocaust” when it was Allied bombing that disrupted the lines of supply between the camps and exacerbated the atrocious conditions there, worsening the typhus epidemic and contributing to the piles of bodies at Bergen-Belsen? Germans had doctors doing what they could to save Jewish lives, but American intervention, if anything, was responsible for wholesale death of those interned. Why not “flip the script” in this way: by pointing out that Jews in German concentration camps were no worse off than Japanese in American camps and that it was sanctimonious Jew-promoted interventionism and warmongering that killed off all their co-ethnics?

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        We’ll know we’re being effective when the Jews are making that argument.

        I want a Jew to explain how I’m responsible for the Holocaust. Let a Jew tell me that Americans really didn’t save their asses because of this reason or that reason.

        Frankly, I’m just not interested. I have my hands full with 9/11 revisionism, and I can only do so many things at a time. Those who are interested in the details of concentration camps in Europe 75 years ago are free to be so interested.

        As for me, I don’t care. If a Jew dares to pin the “Holocaust” on me, I’m going to use that line: “we saved your asses in World War II and now you are blaming US for the ‘Holocaust’?”

        Let them answer that question first. I want them to justify using ‘Holocaust’ propaganda against little American children. As far as I can tell, you’re just doing the same thing – now YOU are blaming the ‘Holocaust’ on Americans!

        If what you say is true – if it was really Allied bombings that caused Jewish deaths in the concentration camps – then it’s the Jews themselves that are responsible for the ‘Holocaust’ because they are the ones that got Americans into the war.

        No matter which way you slice it – we Americans are not responsible for ‘the Holocaust’ – and any Jew blaming us for it is a liar.

        It doesn’t matter how many Jews died in World War II, nothing justifies White genocide today.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        “if it was really Allied bombings that caused Jewish deaths in the concentration camps – then it’s the Jews themselves that are responsible for the ‘Holocaust’ because they are the ones that got Americans into the war.”

        Which is the point I just made.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        OK, so then why are Jews blaming Americans for the Holocaust?

        We know the answer – because Jews are anti-White, and their “Holocaust Narrative” is really just anti-White propaganda.

        So let’s pin that on them and make them explain their hatred for White people.

        It’s THEIR story, they have to “prove” it, not us.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        Sounds like we’re on the same page at last.

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      • Sam J.
        January 8, 2017

        Yes pinning it on them to explain is appropriate.

        “…actually physically dressing up in Nazi uniforms holding “protests” or whether that means LARPing online with an anime Hitler avatar…”

        This is mostly Jews anyways. I always point out to anyone bitching about that the Nazi party was run by a Homosexual Jew in the 70’s. Let them explain that.

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  10. bob saffron
    January 4, 2017

    On the Trumpenführer, here’s an interesting piece. Like you guys, he’s been a skeptic from the very beginning.
    https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/roger-stone-concocted-pizzagate-for-trump/

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 4, 2017

      I gotta say I predicted one thing right. When Trump “fired” Stone, I made the point that Stone would still be working for Trump, but now they had plausible deniability. I also just watched a hilarious clip of the Young Turks being trolled by Roger Stone and Alex Jones. Cenk from TYT described Stone as a “professional liar” who just “makes stuff up” then mocks people buying it and wonders why anyone puts him on TV at all.

      Which seems accurate.

      I read that guy’s Trump/Epstein/Mossad articles – they are pretty damning.

      We predicted it here, right at the beginning – and consistently. Now that Trump has named a cabinet full of neo-cons, Mossad, Goldman Sachs execs, and establishment GOPs – can we say “we told you so” yet?

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    • icareviews
      January 4, 2017

      If Wikileaks is a Mossad operation, then why would they dump something like this? (Fitzpatrick seems to conflate CIA and Mossad, as well, which probably isn’t justified.)

      https://maoistrebelnews.com/2013/08/29/stratfor-thinks-israel-did-911/

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 4, 2017

        The fact that one Stratfor email released by Wikileaks had third hand, decade old, well known information from a British report about Mossad and 9/11 isn’t really even a convincing argument that Wikileaks isn’t Mossad.

        The problem with Fitzpatrick is far more obvious. Anyone, any institution, that isn’t 100% pro-Vatican Catholic is all part of the Judeo-Masonic plot that runs the world.

        Fitzpatrick only sees two players in the world: the Catholic Church, which is All-Good, and the Judeo-Masonics, who are All-Bad.

        Catholics are even more superstitious about the Freemasons than they are about Jews – see the Taxil hoax. It isn’t just weird Catholic bloggers that are superstitious nutjobs with wild sexual fantasies about the Freemasons – even the Popes themselves will believe whatever bullshit story about the Freemasons they hear – especially if it includes some lurid Eyes Wide Shut style group sex!

        This is all of a piece with the Nazitards as well. For the Nazitards, the entire world revolves around Jews.

        I had though writers like Kevin MacDonald had given us a way out of this rut – but nah. No one is interested in the truth, or solving problems. It’s far more fun to LARP as a Nazi, or a “Throne and Altar” Catholic.

        Just like the Libertopians – having a simplistic system that answers all your problems relieves you from the adult responsibility of making choices and exercising human judgement.

        I’ve said it a dozen times before. You can see the Israeli lobby’s influence because it’s a distortion of US imperialism (interestingly, Colin Liddell made the same point in his “Cosmic Cosmopolitans” article.)

        Is there anyone at all in this pathetic movement that combines the high culture of Counter Currents, the savvy propaganda of Bob Whitaker, and some actual decent intel/conspiracy analysis?

        Or are we just doomed to LARPing forever?

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      • Sam J.
        January 5, 2017

        I read icareviews’s link and one off of that link. These are some really twisted, sick fucked up people.

        “…Fitzpatrick only sees two players in the world: the Catholic Church, which is All-Good, and the Judeo-Masonics, who are All-Bad

        Catholics are even more superstitious about the Freemasons than they are about Jews…

        …This is all of a piece with the Nazitards as well. For the Nazitards, the entire world revolves around Jews.

        I had though writers like Kevin MacDonald had given us a way out of this rut – but nah. No one is interested in the truth, or solving problems. It’s far more fun to LARP as a Nazi, or a “Throne and Altar” Catholic.

        Just like the Libertopians – having a simplistic system that answers all your problems relieves you from the adult responsibility of making choices and exercising human judgement…”

        Here’s an answer. I believe the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Not all but a great many. It would seem that all the other groups(races) psychopaths coordinate and/or cooperate with the psychopathic Jews. The Jews having an inordinate number of psychopaths in their population seem to be…well the ring leaders. They may not necessarily be as psychopaths are a notoriously ridiculous bunch who spawn elaborate conspiracies constantly, but there’s so many Jew psychopaths they seem to be. Some real some not.

        I hope people will read this short chapter about a Spath called Stanley and his ridiculous actions for the book “The Mask of Sanity” a book about psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley.

        http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        The mythical passenger planes, again!☺

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  11. bob saffron
    January 5, 2017

    HR: “As far as I can tell, it’s already been “revised” – even that one Jew who wrote the “Holocaust Industry” accused his fellow Jews of lying about it.”

    For the record, Finkelstein doesn’t dispute the veracity of the Official Narrative; his is an exposé of how it has been exploited by Organized Jewry to the detriment of the “survivors” and their families.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 5, 2017

      He said that the Holocaust “scholarship” was shoddy and sometimes far worse, which clearly implies it was purposefully dishonest.

      My point is proven by the fact that virtually everyone has spent more time talking about the Holocaust than the subject of this thread. No one has any strategy to defeat the anti-white effects of the Holocaust narrative – even though no one here is German and no one was even alive when it happened.

      Only Jews and anti-Jews are obsessed with the Holocaust – anti-Jews have become the monsters they fight.

      You’ll all completely stuck in the Jews vs. Nazi narrative – the narrative the ADL has spent so much time and energy developing.

      And like a crazy general, you want to march directly into the machine gunner’s nest because it makes you feel cowardly to use evasive maneuver.

      So you don’t care about winning, you care about proving a point or something.

      I stand by what I said: I couldn’t care less what happened in WWII, and it has precisely zero to do with me, or the interests of White Americans today. Any Jew who dared to tar me with that history would find it turned right around on them.

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        I read the book quite some years ago, but don’t remember him casting doubt on Holocaust scholarship. Can you be more specific?

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        Looking forward to your next post, to be titled “Don’t Call Me an Anti-Semite! Some of My Best Friends Are Holocaust Survivors!”

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        @icareviews

        Looking forward to your next post, to be titled “Don’t Call Me an Anti-Semite! Some of My Best Friends Are Holocaust Survivors!”

        You’re going to have an awfully hard time convincing anyone that I’m scared of being called an “anti-semite” or that I’ve ever tried to avoid the Jewish Problem.

        A long time ago I made an analogy: you can’t shoot a parasite.

        So while the rest of you are shooting yourself in the head trying to get rid of the brain parasite, I’m saying, “hey maybe we should take this medicine instead.”

        The response? “You’re just a coward,” while you shoot your brains out.

        No thanks, I’ll pass.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        Bragging about having relatives who mass-murdered white people during WW2 hardly constitutes a dose of “medicine”. It just perpetuates the idea that fratricidal conflict is productive of something other than white genocide.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        So you want to make me feel guilty for having ancestors that fought the Germans just like the Jews want to make me feel guilty because my ancestors did not fight Germans ENOUGH?

        Should I also feel guilty for having ancestors that fought the British?

        Who said anything about “bragging?” If Jews accuse me of being a “Nazi” or having anything to do with the “Holocaust” – that’s a lie. Why complain when I call out Jews on their lies?

        The Holocaust narrative is an expression of Jewish power – it’s not the source of Jewish power. If they are using the Holocaust to promote anti-Whiteness – it’s because they have to power to promote the Holocaust. Maybe focus less on the expression of Jewish power and instead go to the source of Jewish power.

        Saying “they didn’t really make Jewish soap” is shooting yourself in the head.

        Asking “why are we being blamed for the ‘Holocaust’ when we had nothing to do with it” is medicine.

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      • Sam J.
        January 8, 2017

        “Bragging about having relatives who mass-murdered white people during WW2 hardly constitutes a dose of “medicine”. It just perpetuates the idea that fratricidal conflict is productive of something other than white genocide”

        Take away all the Nazi’s and Communist and all the ideologies and realize that Hitler fucked up. The British ALWAYS balanced the different countries on the mainland so that no one became too powerful. Hitler shouldn’t have attacked Poland. The Germans, through no fault of their own, live in a fucked up location where they could never rise to their potential without threatening others. Maybe the Jews exploited this fact but the fact remained. The Germans were in a cross roads country that is vulnerable. I wonder if the 30 years war didn’t make the Germans smart and what they were as a people. Damn near the whole population was exterminated. You’d have to be at least a little intelligent to survive that mess.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 8, 2017

        No nuance allowed. If Jews are against Hitler, we must be for Hitler. If the “left” have long haired hippies, we must have skinheads. If they say they are for “love” we must say we are for “hate.”

        We must always do the exact opposite of the Jews.

        You don’t want to be a cuck now do you?

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      • icareviews
        January 8, 2017

        For the record, I think there’s a lot to admire in Hitler’s thought, but I can’t endorse WW2 on either side. It’s just hard to see how something like the bombing of Guernica during the Spanish Civil War is pro-white, either. Would the world be a better place if Hitler had won? Very possibly. But it would be an even better world if the world wars had never happened at all.

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  12. bob saffron
    January 5, 2017

    Aside from what I, HR or any goy thinks of it, the Holocaust Narrative is immensely important to Organized Jewry. Both as a fund and a consciousness-raiser. The self-image as a righteous victim is extremely important to their model’s success.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 5, 2017

      “The self-image as a righteous victim is extremely important to their model’s success.”

      So why aren’t we adopting that model?

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        Because we’re not Jews.☺ Horses for courses. Honesty and frankness suits our culture and probably our innate character traits.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 6, 2017

        “Honesty and frankness suits our culture and probably our innate character traits.”

        Who is “we?” “White” is a broad category. There are some white ethnics that tend toward frankness – and some that do not.”

        Two questions, bob saffron:

        1. Have you ever met a White that is a liar?

        2. Have you ever actually met a Jew?

        That sort of black and white thinking is typical of people with either low IQs or Asperger’s syndrome.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        Twitter is filled with “righteous victim” propaganda, and it should be; but why are you determined to put all of our eggs in a single basket? I’ve said before and will say again that, just as there are all sorts of people in the world, there will need to be all sorts of pro-white content to cater to the proclivities of different audiences. Not everybody will go for outrageous Incog Man style antics or WW2 revisionism; so you can also have your VDare or your NPI. There’s Bob Whitaker, too, and the Political Cesspool. Then there’s American Renaissance, or, for a little more truth-telling on the Jew front, Dr. Duke and National Alliance. Some people have a hankering for a dose of conspiracy talk with their white advocacy, for them there are other sites like Renegade, and so on. No single website or letterhead group is going to define what white people are, so there’s room for more than one approach. What matters is that all of the bases are covered.

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      • bob saffron
        January 8, 2017

        Yep, lots of white liars and lots of Jews. I can do nuance.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 5, 2017

      I take extreme offense to the anti-white hate slur “goy.”

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        I find it amusing.

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        I could say “cattle” but it’s less funny.

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        HR, January 5: “Since Trump is essentially a Jewish Democrat, he’s appeasing the GOP by bringing in some pro-lifers and neo-con Goys in the military.”

        Damascene conversion?

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  13. bob saffron
    January 5, 2017

    Also, apart from Zündel, none of the serious revisionists espouse Nazi ideology, far less costume-dress. It’s perfectly possible to be hostile to Nazism and at the same time understand the context of the struggle and debunk the untruths that surround it.

    Important Jews think the Holocaust and education thereof is immensly important and what they think does matter and can’t be ignored without peril.

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    • Hipster Racist
      January 5, 2017

      “Jews think the Holocaust and education thereof is immensly important”

      So why aren’t we doing anything to counter “Holocaust education” is an effective way?

      Schindler’s List didn’t even show anything about gas chambers and ovens – you know why? Because it was already being debunked and so they just side stepped the issue. It was still effective propaganda without the gas chambers and ovens.

      So apparently even after scientific “debunking” the Holocaust narrative still works.

      Because the Holocaust narrative is a religious narrative – yet you refuse to acknowledge that and want to treat it as a scientific narrative, which it isn’t.

      You don’t have to have an actual Nazi costume to be a Costume Clown – LARPing as one online – and constantly dragging the subject back to 12 years of German history 75 years ago – is apparently quite enough.

      I’m not a Nazi. You’re not a Nazi. So why are we talking about Nazis?

      Because the Jews want us to.

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        Didn’t you bring it up?

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      • bob saffron
        January 5, 2017

        Schindlers List didn’t feature gas chambers not because the narrative had been debunked but because it had been totally internalized.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 6, 2017

        No, Schindler’s List didn’t feature gas chambers for the same reason that Fahrenheit 911 didn’t show the demolition of the WTC – it stepped right over the controversy in order to not get distracted from the propaganda goal.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        Both assertions are true. Showing gassings would have invited forensic critique AND wasn’t necessary because the audience had already stored that synthetic memory/knowledge which was retrieved when they watched the film.

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      • bob saffron
        January 6, 2017

        As with 9/11, therefore, attacking the cornerstone is an effective way to weakening the entire edifice.

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      • bob saffron
        January 6, 2017

        Those not over the minutiae of 9/11 or the Holocaust are best served using other attack strategies.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 6, 2017

        The Holocaust Narrative is not the *source* of Jewish power, it’s an *expression* of Jewish power.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        It’s both.

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      • bob saffron
        January 6, 2017

        Touché! Nevertheless it is the most used and reliable weapons in their armory. Pace Greg Johnson, there is no way to step over the Holocaust.

        I can understand MacDonald refusing to allow its discussion. He may well want to travel without risk of prosecution.

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      • icareviews
        January 7, 2017

        “Because the Holocaust narrative is a religious narrative – yet you refuse to acknowledge that and want to treat it as a scientific narrative, which it isn’t.”

        Dude, stop purposefully mischaracterizing people’s arguments so that you can refute something that nobody is saying. Nobody here is denying that the “Holocaust” is a religious narrative. One way to demonstrate that this is exactly what it is is to show that it has no scientific basis. Why are you always trying to create false binaries? Not everything is either-or here.

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    • icareviews
      January 7, 2017

      Agreed. HR either needs to explain how free speech advocate Bradley Smith’s activities make him a Nazi costume clown or go home.

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      • Hipster Racist
        January 7, 2017

        I’ve never heard of Bradley Smith nor did I ever accuse him of being a Nazi Costume Clown. So you have to show how I did, or go home.

        Right now – the most famous “WN” group is the (((Daily Stormer.))) THEY are the biggest ostensibly pro-White website. THEY are the ones that get all of the attention.

        My criticisms are clearly and obviously directed at them and their fellow travelers and their “tactics.” I never criticized Bradley Smith. I never criticized actual historical revisionists. My criticism of TRS style oven jokes are muted, at best.

        My complaint is that the “movement” as a whole – which is now led by Andrew Anglin, the most famous “WN” since Matt Heimbach – is yet again falling into the Jew trap of “Nazi vs. Jew.”

        If Bradley Smith were the most famous Holocaust revisionist, I’m sure I would have no complaint.

        But the most famous Holocaust Revisionist is now Andrew Anglin. It is a purposeful misunderstanding to pretend that I’m complaining about Bradley Smith when I am obvious complaining about Andrew Anglin.

        Holocaust Revisionism shouldn’t be the focus of pro-White advocacy. If Bradley Smith is really as useful as you’re suggesting – then you should be complaining that Andrew Anglin is purposefully undermining his message.

        Your message, whether you realize it or not, is that IF the Holocaust were real, it’s OUR fault, we’re bad, and we deserve genocide. Therefore, we must prove the Holocaust isn’t real to justify our existence.

        That is wrong, and that rhetoric is the wrong place to start.

        Instead, even IF the Holocaust were 100% true – even IF it were worse than the official story – it STILL wouldn’t justify White genocide today, or at any time.

        Israel probably did 9/11. But even if they didn’t – it STILL doesn’t justify Israeli interference in our politics.

        We have a right to exist, regardless of whatever “we” supposedly did in the past. We have to get that part right first.

        Even more so – even if Jews were angels and never did anything wrong ever, and were constantly oppressed throughout history – that STILL doesn’t justify their anti-White hatred. The problem with Jews is that they are anti-White.

        Flipping the script means making THEM justify their anti-White hatred. Flipping the script means making THEM defend their promotion of white genocide. Historical details of this or that are merely tactics, not strategy.

        Holocaust revisionism, as a pro-White tactic, has obviously not worked. It is a lie to suggest I’ve ever complained about a Holocaust revisionist, at least a serious one. But going to that poisoned well over and over again is self-defeating.

        And just look at the company the Holocaust Revisionists keep – whether they like it or not – (((Andrew Anglin))) et al. There is a reason why subversives and clowns are so drawn to Holocaust revisionism. There is a reason that subversives and clowns are so drawn to “serious” NSDAP stuff and also (((Hollywood Nazism.)))

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  14. bob saffron
    January 5, 2017

    This Pope is a Mason!

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  15. bob saffron
    January 7, 2017

    HR has worked. And Organized Jewry’s tireless efforts to make it illegal in all jurisdictions and to redouble Holocaust sacralization are proof positive. Do Jews waste money on frivolous causes?

    Der Daily Stürmer is not a serious (revisionist) site nor does it pretend to be so. Anglin admits as much; many of his followers are 12, 13 year-olds. Read Butz if you want some serious work. Or Mattogno. Or just go to CODOH.

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  16. bob saffron
    January 7, 2017

    HR: “Your message, whether you realize it or not, is that IF the Holocaust were real, it’s OUR fault, we’re bad, and we deserve genocide.”

    This is a non sequitur. If the Holocaust were real, it would be the National Socialists to blame. End of story. Where is the nexus between them and us?

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  17. bob saffron
    January 7, 2017

    HR is not a pro-white movement. It’s a truth movement that works to destroy the lies that are enslaving whites.

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    • bob saffron
      January 7, 2017

      The same could be said for 9/11, for that matter.

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  18. bob saffron
    January 7, 2017

    On the centrality of themes of victimhood to Jewish group cohesion:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/01/exodus-redux-jewish-identity-and-the-shaping-of-history/

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  19. Sam J.
    January 8, 2017

    Hipster Racist,”… It just doesn’t matter to anyone who grew up on the internet, and anyone who is curious would easily find all the debunking sites. I doubt most people under 30 – hell under 50 – really give a damn either way…”

    icareviews.”…You have to remember that you’re a few years older than me and that people who were coming up in public schools in the 1990s have been positively saturated with this garbage…”

    icareviews has hit on the meat of the matter. This is why I believe making fun of the Holahoax is important. When I was growing up I never heard a word about the Holahoax. Now it’s just constant. When anyone says anything about it to me I always reply that I don’t believe it and believe it’s a lie. Does this mean I go around wearing signs or blurting it out with loudspeakers, no. It means when it’s brought up I deny it being true. The sanest policy of dealing with the Jews and their lies is to deny them legitimacy. Doesn’t mean you have to volunteer the info but if people try to tell me Jews are angels I tell them they are worst people on planet Earth.

    One of the things I say to people who push the Holahoax is I ask them of they’ve seen the tens of thousands of skin and bone bodies? The say yes and I ask them if they gassed and burnt up the Jews in ovens then where did all those people who starved to death come from? It takes months to starve to death if they were gassing and burning them by the millions why didn’t they gas and burn those up? They may disagree but they won’t ever see the bodies the same because it’s stupid that they would have all these people starving instead of just gassing and burning them up. It defies common sense. The truth is the Jews are a bunch of parasitical liars and even if you don’t convince people right away they will see that in actuality that they are bunch of parasitical liars over time. That’s why they’ve been kicked out of EVERY single country that they’ve been to in any numbers for all known history. You have to prime people with their past lies because they’ve very good at it and control the narrative. Eventually people will see but not if you neglect to tell them.

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