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Open Thread: White Nationalism

1. What is “white nationalism?” What is “white?” What is “nationalism?”

2. Who is a “white nationalist?” Name some. Are they effective?

3. Who does “white nationalism” appeal to?

4. Using the espionage model: if you want to appeal to white people and promote the ideal of “white nationalism” – what would you do?

5. Using the espionage model: if you want to discredit the idea of “white nationalism” – what would you do?

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59 comments on “Open Thread: White Nationalism

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  2. kerberos616
    August 7, 2016

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  3. KSA
    August 8, 2016

    “1. What is “white nationalism?” What is “white?” What is “nationalism?””

    White Nationalism is a racial, political, and cultural movement that seeks to unite those of European heritage. White Nationalism respects the different varieties of Europeans but seeks to form an alliance of all these peoples against negro and semitic colonizers of European lands and the traitorous Whites who collaborate with them.

    “2. Who is a “white nationalist?” Name some. Are they effective?”

    A White Nationalist is any White person who wants to ensure the continuation of his or her race. White Nationalists include George Lincoln Rockwell, Richard Spencer, Greg Johnson, David Duke, Lothrop Stoddard, Alex Linder, Robert Jay Matthews, Jared Taylor, Eustace Mullins, Madison Grant, and Revilo Oliver. The most effective White Nationalists tend to be either intellectuals such as Oliver and or charismatic spokespeople such as Spencer.

    “3. Who does “white nationalism” appeal to?”

    It appeals to any White person who wants his progeny to live in a safe and secure society that is run by White people who similarly prioritize the interests of the White race.

    “4. Using the espionage model: if you want to appeal to white people and promote the ideal of “white nationalism” – what would you do?””

    Make sure that White people understand that no amount of liberalism or race-betrayal will ever get non-Whites to like them. Negroes and Semites in particular innately harbor a bloody hatred of White people and history has shown that whenever Whites become minorities in their lands, they are viciously exterminated. Whites need to understand that race is real and biologically-defined and that the most advanced and successful civilizations in history were the products of their race.

    “5. Using the espionage model: if you want to discredit the idea of “white nationalism” – what would you do?”

    Convince gullible Whites that White Nationalism is only based on hatred and neurosis, that White people are just a social construct devised by “racists,” and that “science” supports the idea of hybrid vigor. Also, convince them that White people have an innate evil in them and that the only way to bring about a better world for all is to breed them out so their descendants are all black or brown. In short, destroy their identity as White people (i.e. as a people with a distinct past and a destiny) and replace it with rootless cosmopolitanism and submissiveness to the will of non-Whites.

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 9, 2016

      @KSA

      By “Semites” I assume you are including Arabs as well as Jews?

      What about Desi/Indians and Asians/Orientals? Obviously not white, but do any/some/all exhibit the same hostility to whites in general? We all get the Jewish thing, but if Arabs also exhibit this hostility, is it because they are somewhat close to whites – Caucasian, but not Euro/White?

      What about Mestizos?

      Africans are kind of in their own category I think (and so does everyone else including non-whites.)

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      • KSA
        August 9, 2016

        Yes Arabs are basically lower-IQ Jews. Jews and Arabs share a similar origin (Spengler referred to it as the Magian worldview).

        The goal of White Nationalists should be White nations for White people. That means no non-Whites, whatever breed they are.

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  4. icareviews
    August 8, 2016

    Reblogged this on icareviews and commented:

    In which readers’ deep thoughts are solicited.

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    • bob saffron
      August 9, 2016

      By the way, thanks for your recommendation of Evidence of Revision, posted on some Aryan Skynet thread (which escapes my memory). Excellent, even it is didn’t introduce the Piper Collins material.

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  5. guest
    August 8, 2016

    Here is one right back:

    As WN overlaps with plain nationalism in it’s goals far down the road, why even bother with W in the beginning? You could stop migration, and turn around plenty with mere, broader appealing, nationalism and the rule of law, mere standing up, mere freedom of association…

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 9, 2016

      @guest

      RamZPaul and a few others tend to emphasize “nationalism for everybody” and often say they support Israel/Zionism and that whites/Europeans just want the same thing.

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      • bob saffron
        August 9, 2016

        I hate that position of his, although I very much like RamZPaul. It seems to me impossible to envison Israel as a separate entity and not as the Siamese twin of the Diaspora. Israeli nationalism comes down to parasitism at the national level. Without European and US government aid, that country would be gone.

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      • bob saffron
        August 9, 2016

        I mean the treatment of Palestians at the hands of Israeli Jews is not what I’d expect to see mirrored in the West, were its indigenous peoples to regain power. Far worse than the Jews were treated in Germany, at least until the outbreak of WWII.

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    • Reallynewguy
      August 11, 2016

      Most people would assume you’re saying civic nationalism.

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  6. Adit
    August 8, 2016

    Well I have to say, ‘White Nationalism’ as a term isn’t that great, but I can understand where it came from. White Nationalism is really an American thing (Europeans have their own individual ethic nationalisms for now.. well..kind of) since White Americans could be from any European ethnic group it sort of makes sense. We can not use American Nationalism because that is now strictly associated with civic nationalism. (although it probably was considered ethnic nationalism at some point.) Europeans better not be too smug because they’re headed in the same direction where only civic nationalism is left and you’ll have to use terms like ‘White German nationalism’ or some other convoluted nonsense to denote nationalism for real Germans.

    You don’t know how much ridiculous crap I’ve had to listen to over the term ‘White Nationalism.’ The best one was (seriously) that since ‘White’ isn’t a country, all White nationalists by default have to be Nazis. Yes, I’m still trying to figure out the convoluted logic on that one. Frankly I prefer Pro-White because it meshes better with the Bugster memes, but whatever. Its just ethic nationalism for people of wholly European descent. (I’m not going to define European nor define what is is) WN has some recognition value, but unfortunately its not all that positive.(part of this is the media lumping every idiot or lunatic White in the WN camp) The fact it has accomplished zero (except giving people a place to bitch) hasn’t helped matters. The problem could simply be that its a fringe movement at the moment, thus attracting too many of the wrong people as all fringe movements do. Someone summed it up nicely once: ‘Why is the cause so right, but the people in it so wrong?” I suspect as things go more mainstream that will change. Whittaker and the Bugsters are helping to make that happen. People just need to listen and then look around and see what is going on.

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 9, 2016

      “White” is definitely an American thing. MacDonald and Spencer have often talked about a pan-European identity that still recognizes the different European nations (the EU has even flirted with this implicitly.)

      But “American” was always basically “mixed European.” North America had three races: European, African, and Indian, and the states and the USA were always explicitly European constructs. Africans were never considered “American” and the Indians were always treated as outsiders. Even though America was mostly Anglo, the French were never really outsiders and the Germans weren’t really either.

      Before the great immigration of the late 1800s/early 1900s, the few Jews that lived in the South and ran the slave trade were basically considered “whites” who followed a weird religious cult. They tended to be mostly integrated into the Dixie White Supremacy system.

      The Irish and Italians came during the great immigration and perhaps stayed a bit more clannish than other groups but at this point it’s nothing but an affectation among some North Easterners. The post-great immigration Jews of course went out of their way to remain distinct and continue to deconstruct “whiteness” and “Americanism.”

      I think the Bugsters, rightly or wrongly, emphasize “white” because we are attacked as “white.” As long as “whiteness is a social construct” we have to defend ourselves as white, as most Americans are a mix of various Euro identities. As you say “American” has been deconstructed to mean nothing but “was issued a US passport,” so “white” is basically all we have left.

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      • guest
        August 9, 2016

        >”white” is basically all we have left

        Hence our greatest enemy is White guilt, it all stand and falls with that.

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  7. icareviews
    August 8, 2016

    1. White nationalism is nationalism with indigenous Europeans and their diaspora peoples understood as the pertinent nation. Nationalism is advocacy for and defense of national well-being and sovereignty. Populations around the fringes of Europe – Spaniards, Greeks, Russians, et al. – may have admixtures of other races, but are welcomed as part of the family if their cultural experience is European (classical inheritance, Christendom, etc.). Jews, both because of their racial alienness and because of Europe’s tragic historical experiences with them, are excluded.

    2. White nationalists are a motley group who hopefully espouse the above ideals. Unfortunately, not all do. In general, they are those who place racial solidarity before any other political consideration. White nationalists come as varied as Richard Spencer, Andrew Anglin, Bill White, Sam Dickson, Kyle Hunt, Steve Sailer, Alex Kurtagic, and David Duke. White nationalists have not heretofore been successful in organizing political resistance to the establishment, but many have established successful venues for alternative information dissemination and attracted considerable audiences for their message.

    3. White nationalism appeals at present to a limited but growing number of people. Its appeal is stronger among the young and to some extent among the insane and marginalized; but popularization and normalization are hindered only by the creative limitations of a given messenger. Great strides in terms of tone and delivery of material have been made during the Obama years.

    4. Be the most presentable version of yourself, but don’t put on airs. Work your beat as a plainclothesman, make friends, share experiences, insights, and information, and develop networks of rapport. Develop a sense of humor and become an effective communicator. Don’t draw attention to yourself when you’re off your beat.

    5. Signal violence. Be abrasive. Nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger no planes.

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    • bob saffron
      August 9, 2016

      With respect to your point # 5, what has 9/11 got to do with white nationalism that it could be compromised by anyone not espousing the Official Narrative? The MacDonalds, Spencers, etc, won’t touch broach the subject in any form and yet are not lesser advocates for so doing.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 9, 2016

        I think the point was the crazy conspiracy theories (and purposeful disinformation) like “no planes” is a way to turn people off to WN. Sort of like “Jew Science is covering up the truth about the Flat Earth.”

        Someone can be a White Nationalist and otherwise quite conventional. There’s nothing even particularly “conservative” or “right wing” about white nationalism either. My whole gimmick has long been that vegan hipster feminists who care about the environment and animal rights are quite likely better served by white nationalism than a conservative Christian libertarian capitalist who is into converting non-whites and dismantling borders to expand free trade.

        Portland is whitetopia.

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      • icareviews
        August 9, 2016

        My point doesn’t refer to 9/11 truth so much as disinformative 9/11 psychedelia and the irresponsible strain of conspiracy marketing that has in many cases attached itself to identitarianism. We derive no benefit, for instance, from pretending that a three-man Mossad team killed the kids at Sandy Hook – which is actually a story that was out there at one point. Some Duke-basher on Twitter actually confronted me with white nationalists’ alleged belief in “lizards” – she’d been conditioned to associate white advocacy like Duke’s and the reptilian sort of material that pollutes the least discriminating corners of the conspiracy field. It’s fine to point to holes in the official story, but we should distance ourselves from the irresponsible gonzo gunk to the extent that we can.

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      • guest
        August 9, 2016

        >My whole gimmick has long been that vegan hipster feminists who care about the environment and animal rights

        You will like this then:

        The “Green Wing” of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents

        &

        Hippie Roots & The Perennial Subculture

        German hippies flocked en masse to the NAZI party pre WW2…

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 9, 2016

        I’ve said before that there’s no more effective way to culturally distance European culture from Semitic influences than things like animal rights (banning kosher/halal slaughter) a healthy respect for nature (the so called “forest people” vs. the “desert people” distinction which you see in religion) a relatively high social standing for women (what is more German that nudism compared to semitic hangups about the human body?)

        I used to call myself an “eco-fascist” to SWPL types just to see if I could get away with it – and I could. I also remember some reflexive leftist types often engaging in paranoid ranting about “blood and soil” ideology. I’ve noticed that certain ethnic distinctions become quite apparent when nature-based social activities are emphasized. Go to any nature club, hiking group, anything to do with scouting, camping, environmental volunteerism, stuff like that – it’s all so blatantly pagan that those with the, er, accountant gene, just seem to instinctively recoil.

        Then of course, the people who are the first to strip down on the beach and in the water all just seem so “Aryan” to me – once the cultural affectations afforded by clothing are no longer relevant, some biological differences are just obvious.

        Then again it’s all quite apparent in the face as well:

        http://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/why-they-hate-us/

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 9, 2016

        There was also the well known phenomenon of “crunchy conservatives.” I remember one conservative activist couple that were quite into organic foods, homeschooling, pro-lifism, and ecology. During an interview, the wife demanded that the journalist point out that she was, in fact, “barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen” at the time.

        In comparison, I really have to wonder about the Costume Clown brigades that LARP as 1930s street protestors, ape various early 1900s political iconography, pose as “Christian” by finding “exotic” strains of Christianity that have no resonance among Americans, and try to ape the working class appeal of early fascism – in an economy where that working class culture simply no longer exists.

        Appealing to redneck country boys with a Dixie flag and a fishing pole is one thing. But street banners with some knock-off pseudo-swastika and talking about some obscure Eastern European working class fascist movement from 1929 while waxing poetic about macho coal miners (REAL men have coal dust on their faces and cancer in their lungs!) is just something else entirely. They may or may not realize it, but they are like water conforming to the shape of the leftist container.

        Back in the 1930s, the fascist movement had a reason to appeal to the urban working classes that the Communists were trying to appeal to. These days, that urban working class culture simply does not exist and what appealed to them in 1930s simply does not appeal to them today.

        So why the ineffective LARPing? It’s narcissistic posturing at best and blatant disrupting at worst.

        Same with the “prolier than thou” nonsense – it is so blatantly fake, which makes sense considering it comes from middle class college “activists” posing as blue collar workers.

        Dixie gentlemen of the South were just as connected to nature and just as comfortable with guns as their hillbilly neighbors, but they would never “slum it” and affect the culture of the poor in order to be more “authentic.”

        Frankly I find the entire WN subculture to be as phony as a three dollar bill. Much of it comes across like a “scenester” phenomenon, like the rock-a-billies of the 1990s (who were sometimes accused of “racism” and “fascism” too, but were really just music fans that liked to dress up in 1950s style clothing.)

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  8. icareviews
    August 8, 2016

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  9. bob saffron
    August 9, 2016

    4) Humour in a humourless sociopolitical environment. Ben Garrison a case in point.

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  10. guest
    August 9, 2016

    We should re-brand it as “democratic nationalism”! It worked for Bernie.

    I really believe using WN is redundant and counter productive, especially in Europe, where the White part is given, in mostly White countries such as Sweden, there is no non White nationalism. And in the US, it’s a distinction without a difference, it’s not like the media will give you a pass, if you are a mere nationalist.

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    • icareviews
      August 9, 2016

      Whether or not we choose to call it “white nationalism” – “identitarianism” could just as easily describe the concept without the public relations baggage – white nationalism differs fundamentally with traditional nationalism, or “petty-statism” as Francis Parker Yockey termed it, in that it favors international racial solidarity. The new nationalism acknowledges that in the twenty-first century context, Frenchmen are no longer pitted against Germans, who likewise are no longer pitted against the Russians. All are, as the saying goes, in the same boat from a geopolitical and demographic standpoint. All European peoples are, furthermore, one large family at some bedrock genetic or supra-ethnic level. This is why mere nationalism, while admirable, arguably necessary at the regional level, and certainly preferable to the status quo, is insufficient against the background of the bigger picture of the worldwide problems we confront. I’m not only concerned about whites in America. For those of us who are Americans, the U.S. is obviously our most immediate concern; but it is only one theater of a truly global war.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 9, 2016

        I completely agree with that, but as the old saying goes, think globally, act locally.

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      • guest
        August 10, 2016

        I just brought it up because the crucial first steps, even in the US, of a nationalist or WN are the same, so why spook the (v)deer with rhetoric?

        My experience is that if you use White in a non ironic matter, people start seeing hoods or roll their eyes, to use Hipsters phrase. As much as i would like, you can’t lead with White, unless you’re insulting whitey, then it’s kosher even for the msm…

        And a half joking question for you two, just because the answers may be entertaining, at what point is the Rubicon crossed, or the democratic process exhausted, would you go full 1488 1776 then? What’s the worst case scenario, or are the 1st & 2nd amendment itself LARPing anyway so it doesn’t matter?

        Which leads to more questions, should or is, WN like Libertarianism, as in that it sticks to the Non-aggression principle, are we even pacifists?!

        Should or must we be? Haven’t thought about that angle before…

        But then again, the world is governed by the aggressive use of force, that’s how you win, to quite El Rushbo.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 10, 2016

        @guest

        at what point is the Rubicon crossed, or the democratic process exhausted, would you go full 1488

        The problem is “full 14/88” is a fake Jewish construct. Literally, the Hollywood Nazi image was created by Hollywood. Going “full 14/88” means to stop being a pro-White activist and instead become a Jewish-invented parody.

        So, never, under any circumstances, would I go “full 14/88.”

        While the 14 Words are unobjectionable in and of themselves, David Lane was an idiot and a failure and probably did more to damage the pro-white cause than any other American in post WWII history.

        Reading his writings and history, it seems he was sexually triggered by the porn culture that appeared in the late 60s/1970s – it’s a reoccurring theme in his work and life. So I even question whether his supposed racial advocacy was anything more than his acting out on some personal sexual issues.

        I have never had anything to do with the post-WWII “14/88 culture” and really have nothing but contempt for them. I don’t think they are even really on our side – half of them have turned out to be Jews and FBI anyway.

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      • icareviews
        August 10, 2016

        How do you inform people that the government, media, and the anti-white coalition are out to get and dispossess them without mentioning that all of this hostility is directed at them precisely because they’re white? I think we’re past the stage of just saying “civilization” and hoping the average yokel knows what we’re talking about. The threat is racial in nature, so the defense will have to be racial in organization as well. Civic nationalism of Trump’s brand has no problem with legal immigration. You can’t really discuss America’s immigration problem without discussing race – so why not tell the whole truth about it? Displaying images like the ones in the video With Open Gates is ten times more effective as propaganda than saying “They’re not sending their best people.” As if we would even need or want Mexico’s or Syria’s or Somalia’s best people here. Civic nationalism is at best a beginning, but should never be considered an end. Victory is going to take a variety of forms. At the local level, it’s going to mean resuscitated social capital and fraternal organizations helping to ensure safety and political influence. Not everything has to be explicitly pro-white, but it will definitely need to function as white advocacy and power. We’re pacifists to the extent that we’re anti-war, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t defend ourselves. That’s what this whole thing is about anyway. The worst case scenario would just be an intensification of present trends: hyper-Orwellian surveillance, soulless existences living on food stamps or working increasingly outsourced cubicle jobs, watching TV and getting fatter – all while white girls continue to get raped and degraded, white boys just jerk off to cuckolding porn, and Talmudic pedophilia is normalized before all the boiled frogs’ eyes. The first and second amendments are only LARPing if people pretend to think these protections only matter because it’s written on some crusty old pieces of paper. It doesn’t really matter whether we have a Constitution or Bill of Rights – although I think it’s great that we have these documents – as long as we enjoy these things as a daily reality on the ground. The weaponization of “all men are created equal” demonstrates the limited usefulness of Founder-fetish conservatism. It’s all a matter of interpretation and, increasingly, naked power plays. Power plays don’t have to be naked all the time, but whites do of necessity need to begin to think about their interests in explicitly racial terms. White nationalists differ from libertarians in that we’re pragmatists and don’t argue for policies – open borders, for instance – that would undermine the security of our cherished ideals. As far as being afraid that normies will see hoods or roll their eyes, they’ll do that shit even if you’re a prancing cuckservative and just happen to be white and have an “R” next to your name. There’s no point trying to impress people who want you dead anyway. Anti-racist rhetoric becomes a bigger joke every day.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 10, 2016

        As if we would even need or want Mexico’s or Syria’s or Somalia’s best people here.

        Seriously. “Hey, whitey, we are going to import the elites of Mexico, Syria, and Somalia to replace you, because they are smarter and richer and better educated than you.”

        This the GOP/Koch brothers line: “Americans are too dumb and we can’t find qualified workers so we are going to bring in the elites of India and China on H1-B visas to do the jobs Americans are too dumb to do.”

        Or McCain: “Americans won’t even pick vegetables for $50 an hour, so we have to import Latin Americans who will work for cheap.”

        We need to use the most effective propaganda we can, but there is simply no getting around race.

        But, race aside, why would we want the elites of Europe to replace Americans either? I really don’t see a big problem with immigration from Europe, but if it were specifically designed to overwhelm our culture and lower our wages – that would be a problem too. Not a racial problem, perhaps an ethnic problem, but a problem nevertheless.

        And that is why it’s pointless – in fact, counter-productive – to harp on the low IQ of blacks, or the cultural issues of mestizos, or the perfidy of Jews. So, what, we should want to be replaced by foreign “superiors?”

        Even if whites were the dumbest, ugliest, worst people on planet earth – we’re still white. Maybe my mother really is ugly – she’s still my mother.

        There’s no getting around race.

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      • guest
        August 10, 2016

        >half of them have turned out to be Jews and FBI anyway

        It’s similar in places like Germany, where virtually all far right groups are infiltrated with so called government “V-Mann” informants/undercover agents, it came out in recent trials that they are even the main source of income for those groups, many were kickstarted by government money to begin with, and 90% of the time when a so called far right extremist is on trial, he turns out to be a cop, who used his actual service gun during the commission of the crime, hence it all goes away quietly, but it’s funny to watch while it lasts.

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      • Adit
        August 10, 2016

        @HR

        This the GOP/Koch brothers line: “Americans are too dumb and we can’t find qualified workers so we are going to bring in the elites of India and China on H1-B visas to do the jobs Americans are too dumb to do.”

        This kind of crap, and the others you listed, is the elites slitting their own throats. Seriously, you couldn’t get better propaganda for our side if you paid for it. Everyone knows this is absolute utter BS and to a lot of normal apolitical Americans this is like waving a red cloth at a bull. Go tell American Engineers to their faces they’re stupid and the Indians are god’s gift but remember to have your healthcare paid up first. Tell blue collar Americas to their faces they’re lazy fucks and should be replaced by Mexicans and you better have your funeral costs covered because your family will need it. The elites get away saying that crap from their ivory towers or penthouse suites with highly paid mercenaries to cover their ass. Many Americans may be ignorant but that doesn’t mean they’re dumb. Even HS dropouts know the difference between a rainstorm and when someone is pissing on you.

        Quotes like those listed, and I’m sure there are more then you could shake a stick at, will come back to haunt them big time. It’s a meme looking for a place to happen. These people are literally talking themselves Into their own downfall.

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      • bob saffron
        August 10, 2016

        Open borders isn’t a winner with all libertarians (think Hans-Hermann Hoppe), even though it correct to say that many of the noisier ones at the think-tank or institute level are fully onboard. Then again, the Jewish presence is heavy in the movement. I believe that many Ron Paulistas have already moved into the Alt Right sphere, and many more are to come. If you are already convinced the government bears you malice, then some of the barriers to discovering why have already been removed.

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  11. Apollonius
    August 11, 2016

    Is anyone here familiar with the Deguello Report?

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 11, 2016

      The Deguello Report is a great example of black propaganda:

      All the best pro-white leaders are “secretly gay” – apparently, David Duke is a “bisexual” that likes to eat poop.

      But Frances Cohen’s National-Socialist Party of America is “somewhat confused ideologically, members of this group are generally high caliber individuals.”

      Ironic in the sense that Cohen was a Jew, actually arrested for raping little boys, and his entire “Nazi” shtick was promoted by the ADL and introduced “Holocaust culture” to America.

      So the Deguello Report was textbook black propaganda. Interesting that it’s still being promoted by disinformation artists like Eric Hufschmid who has spent years trying to disrupt the work of Christopher Bollyn, going as far as to make up bizarre and wild accusations that his family had been kidnapped and he’s being pressured to “cover up” various aspects of 9/11. Bollyn, for his part, denied the claims and is back in the US, seemingly safe and sound, still doing what he’s always done.

      There’s a blog somewhere online that does something similar – it’s a long series of fantasy stories accusing basically everyone in the pro-white movement of being a Fed, or taking money, etc. It’s all straight out of COINTELPRO, and it’s interesting that Richard Spencer has become a target of an identical smear campaign.

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      • Reallynewguy
        August 11, 2016

        There’s a similar hitpiece called “The History of White Nationalism” that defames a lot of WN’s and makes them look horrible. http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/2010/08/brief-history-analyzed-according-to-its.html Hadding examines the fraud here.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 12, 2016

        @Reallynewguy

        When I first discovered WN about 2007, I discovered people like Covington and all that drama, and realized that I wanted absolutely nothing to do with the “14/88” culture and the rest of the supposedly racial, “muh streets” Clown Show. The best things those type could do for us is shut up and go home. Even Pierce, smart he may have been, was at best two steps forward, one step back. At the end of the day, what is his legacy? A useful foil to associate the OKC false flag with pro-white people – an association Pierce himself seemed to welcome, by the way.

        In the other thread, I mistakenly said “Hal Turner” when I meant to say “Harold Covington.” Harold Covington was so fat he couldn’t even fit into his Nazi uniform.

        The last time I listened to a Harold Covington podcast, he was complaining that the “young men” who could best carry on his legacy of the NorthWest front were too busy trying to “get pussy” therefore, wouldn’t join him holed up in the Washington state woods, or wherever, to “fight ZOG” and establish the “White Homeland” by “fighting the Federal government.”

        I’m reminded of ANolen.com’s work, who often mentioned that cults/exploitative organizations, often try to interfere with their members forming families. In fact, that is almost the operational definition of a cult – it’s an artificial community based not on biology/family ties, but instead on “ideology” or the worship of some sort of charismatic figure.

        According to his brother, Covington is a schizophrenic. He comes across to me as a garden variety sociopath – and sociopaths can often be very charismatic.

        Back when I first started, good writers like Gregory Hood and Greg Johnson were praising Covington’s fiction and vision. I read it myself – it was absolute shit. Dumb ass Rambo fantasizing and the women characters were written by a man who has clearly never had a relationship with an actual woman. Maybe it’s just slim-pickings for pro-white fiction. Hell, it was so bad I started writing fiction myself – at least I could write a believable female character.

        In any case, the 14/88 culture is nothing but organized idiocy. For those who enjoy masturbating to cartoon Japanese girls and posing as a tough guy online, there’s always the Daily Stormer.

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  12. vikinglifeblog
    August 11, 2016

    What is “white?”

    North and West European Germanic people! South and East European are in general colored people, dragging us down. Both as countries and people, are they a burden.

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 11, 2016

      We really aren’t in a position to be making enemies.

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      • vikinglifeblog
        August 11, 2016

        That is true.
        Polish people is the biggest group of foreigner in UK and Danish prisons (I would guess Norway and Sweden, too). They are also the biggest immigrant group, in both countries (as I remember, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, too). After we opened the border for them, more than 2 mil. polacks have left Poland for good. More than 800.000 live in UK. That brings Poland in the same white genocide group, with countries like Turkey, Somalia and so on. The same goes for countries like Lithuania and Romania (just with less people).
        At best these people would take work from us, because they will work for a salary to low for a white man to live on. At worst they will beat and rob old people, rape and steal from us.
        I dont care, if a criminal is arab, african or eastern european. I want them all to leave my country!
        One could argue, that they are making us (white europeans) their enemies.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 11, 2016

        Poles are white.

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      • vikinglifeblog
        August 11, 2016

        I guess from your reply, that you are not sympathetic with our people!

        “Open Thread: White Nationalism”

        I think, that “White Nationalism” is only a “thing” in Australia, Canada, USA, New Zealand and South Africa. And Boer people in South Africa is the only one of them, who really have a collective identity. Over here we only have Nationalism.

        I try to spread the good word of Nationalism and most often “White Nationalist” or (((White Nationalist))) will act like SJW and BLM. Specially in the comment section on YouTube.
        Anyway, thanks for the gentle hint.

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  13. guest
    August 12, 2016

    So no 1488 Hipster, what a bummer… how about 1776? Or is the 2nd amendment, tea party crowd essentially LARPing as well? It’s funny because they were the most peaceful crowds ever, almost Japanese in nature, yet their legacy is nothing but another strawman for the establishment to tilt at, to be a tea party type is now a grave insult. What would a Hipster Tea Party Animal have done differently?

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 12, 2016

      The problem with 1776 is not that they want to follow the Constitution – the problem with 1776 is that they don’t care about race. The Constitution is fine. The Second Amendment is great. Dressing up like George Washington is kind of silly, but it resonates with the patriot types at best, and it’s just somewhat silly at worst. So, no, as far as I can see, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with dressing up in a powdered wig and going to a Tea Party. Have at it. Spending all that energy electing Ted Cruz is certainly a big waste of time, but it’s not counter productive.

      14/88, on the other hand, is designed to turn off average Americans. 99.999% of white people are going to be scandalized, outraged, and offended by people dressing up in Nazi outfits and chanting slogans. Dressing up in a Nazi outfit is guaranteed to be counter-productive – to the point it’s impossible to tell the difference between purposeful disruption and just plain idiocy.

      The best overtly pro-white rhetoric is of course the Bugsters/Mantra crowd. That works. That doesn’t offend regular white people – that is the exact right message, with the exact right tone.

      It’s true that they are going to call us “Nazis” anyway. But it doesn’t follow that since they are going to call us “Nazis” anyway, therefore, we should be “Nazis.”

      This ain’t rocket science. You hardly need a degree in marketing, or psychology, to understand what works to appeal to our audience (average white people) and what turns off our audience.

      Now, online trolls making Trump/Hitler cartoons – have at it. It’s funny, sure. It’s mocking the anti-whites and it’s making a joke out of Holocaust Hitler Hysteria. TheRightStuff.biz is mildly amusing, I guess.

      But taking it to “muh streets” dressed up in costumes holding crypto-swastika signs and waving lynching banners is obviously another thing entirely.

      Hey – if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Someone show me how many white people have been converted from implicit whiteness to explicit whiteness because you “took it to muh streets” in a uniform waving a swastika. Count up how many people were convinced by the Hitler act vs. how many were turned off by the Hitler act.

      I’ll simply point out that the Bugster crowd has dominated the internet and actually changed the discourse for the better. Meanwhile, the “muh streets” crowd measures their success by how often they get their faces on TV and a hit piece in the media – and they are willing to play the clown to do so.

      How do you measure success? I measure success by how many white people you can convince to take our own side in this argument.

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      • Reallynewguy
        August 12, 2016

        The problem with 1776 is not that they want to follow the Constitution – the problem with 1776 is that they don’t care about race.Alex Jones is basically this. He’s a kosher nationalist, “Humanity has to come together, one people,etc.”

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      • Adit
        August 12, 2016

        Honestly, when was the last time you saw someone doing their brown shirt imitation anymore? I can’t really think of the last time I saw ‘Nazis on parade’ on the news. I think that time has mostly passed, except maybe for agitprop from the system itself so I don’t see it as much of a problem. The news like to dig up old footage from the 60 and 70s to make people believe that nonsense is still going on. Some of the European groups can get away with the costumes because they actually have real political parties, some real power and it appeals to the people’s nationalistic spirit.

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      • Hipster Racist
        August 12, 2016

        Full Nazi uniforms are just too obvious – now it’s crypto-swastikas, just on this side of plausible deniability. But the “NSM” was all over the news just a few years ago and there were plenty in the 14/88 “community” defending them. Remember J. T. Ready?

        We still have a group known for lynching signs all over the news lately – and their leader is regularly in the media being associated with the Trump campaign.

        Then, there is “ropeculture.org” – complete with nooses and the like – all involved in the smear campaign against Richard Spencer and NPI. So sure, it’s not as overtly blatant as Frances Cohen and Harold Covington anymore, but it’s just this side of them.

        Europe is different. I think Golden Dawn probably doesn’t help themselves with some of their antics, but I’m not going to complain because it’s a completely different situation.

        As for America though, it’s obvious that skinheads, “radical muh streets” types – and lynching signs – are exactly what the SPLC wants, and exactly what they promote. And there are more than a few willing to play along.

        Try to distance yourself from that crowd and they will go on the attack.

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      • Adit
        August 13, 2016

        J.T. Ready was almost 5 years ago, and I doubt anyone outside movement people or people of his hometown even remember. One of the problems is WN has no real formal organization so anyone or anything can fall under its umbrella by simply saying they are WN. (Or the media may classify them for us) Yes, they may all be ethnic nationalists, but outside of that they may have very little else in common. Some groups may even have diametrically opposed ideas on how to go about things and thus the infighting. Obviously not a recipe for success, and that is how it will continue until one group has some actual tangible success. Once that happens, the other groups will fall into line, but not until then. (Obviously, fake groups will never fall in line)

        I understand the problem this poses, but there isn’t much that can be done about it. People will do what they are going to do regardless of how stupid or useless it is. Except it. They don’t bother me since I take what is valuable from each group and ignore the nonsense. The cause of our survival is too important to be put off by a handful of nutters, ridiculous infighting, or the origin of an idea. I consider it an acid test. If people can’t look beyond all the nonsense to what is important, they’ll be useless anyway. It’s something that has to come from inside;nobody can do it for you.

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  14. Reallynewguy
    August 12, 2016

    This RationalWiki entry on Jews is utterly shameful. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy Depth of their influence in media, Civil Rights Movement, Immigration, Wall Street, Foreign Policy is hardly mentioned. Nope, it’s just the “Protocols”,blood libel, excuses for disproportionate numbers in banking, and mixture with other conspiracy theories(Illuminati).

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 12, 2016

      Rationalwiki is a progressive propaganda site.

      TOO did an article about wikis. There is some pro-white wiki that has some good content, but it tends to devolve into historical fetishism and religious wankery, which limits its usefulness.

      I’d love for some pro-white people to take a page from rationalwiki’s tactics. Rationalwiki takes something ridiculous and easy to make fun of – fundamentalist creationism – and associates it with race realism, 9/11 truth, global warming skepticism, and other non-leftist causes, in order to smear them by association.

      We should do something similar. A wiki that takes the worst of the Social Justice Warrior/Tumblr nonsense, and smears anti-whiteness, progressivism, and the rest by association. The GOP has tried more than once to (rightly) associate various liberal/progressive groups with Communism and the Communist butchery of the last century, but as is typical of the GOP, their hearts weren’t really in it and it devolved into “liberals are the real racists” nonsense.

      I will note that the Usual Suspects get real, real touchy when the Israel/Palestine issue is brought up. The hysterical objections to pro-white people pointing out Israeli genocide against the Palestinians are raised precisely because it’s effective.

      On twitter, the “Open Border for Israel” stuff is awesome – hilariously funny and gets the point across better than the ((())) memes do, in my opinion. White people hate hypocrites, so pointing out their hypocrisy is effective.

      Agree or disagree, the conversations on this thread are productive, in my opinion. I say what we need is to focus on rhetoric and propaganda and messaging that works. The goal is to get white people to take our own side in the racial conflict. Whatever helps us achieve that goal is good – what interferes with that goal should be dropped.

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      • Reallynewguy
        August 12, 2016

        I think ((())) are helpful in a way. When people with that symbol consistently make anti-white statements, left or right, and it connects that with Jews, it’s genius.

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      • Reallynewguy
        August 12, 2016

        We should do something similar. A wiki that takes the worst of the Social Justice Warrior/Tumblr nonsense, and smears anti-whiteness, progressivism, and the rest by association. The GOP has tried more than once to (rightly) associate various liberal/progressive groups with Communism and the Communist butchery of the last century, but as is typical of the GOP, their hearts weren’t really in it and it devolved into “liberals are the real racists” nonsense. This sounds awfully similar to (((Horowitz))) Discover the Network website. A wiki that points out Islamist/COmmunist/Socialist connections is keywiki, which has some really good finds. Speaking on the Pro-White side, there’s Judas Watch, where anti-whites like Merkel and Sarzosky are documented. https://judas.watch/

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  15. Reallynewguy
    August 12, 2016

    Also, the page “Evil Jew” http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evil_Jew hilariously denies that Jews are “clannish or controllers of money and wealth”, then at the end admits they are clannish. “Jews have been accused of being “clannish. This is a massive double standard, as virtually every other ethnic group in the world is clannish to some degree. Extra hypocrisy points for the anti-Semites that support some form of ethnicity based nationalism (i.e. virtually every racist ever).” Lol! Replace Jews with Whites, and you have the real double standard.

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  16. anonymousobserver
    August 13, 2016

    Somewhat off topic: what is the official AS position on the Renegade people?

    Shiksa Goddess / Sinead’s cover songs are very funny.

    They appear to be on board with “who did 9/11”.

    I’ve seen (some) of you guys interacting with the Renegade people on “social” media.

    But aren’t these the flat earth people? The Jew science people? What gives?

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    • Hipster Racist
      August 14, 2016

      The AryanSkynet Central Governing Committee has yet to make a decision on whether to recognize or anathematize Renegade, but we are leaning towards purging them as counter-revolutionary.

      Just kidding. There is no “official AryanSkynet” anything.

      Personally, I think they are a mixed bag. Shiksa Goddess’ songs are hilarious and I love her interviews she does with Lana from Red Ice. On the other hand, she and Kyle Hunt have seemingly non-ironically promoted the “Flat Earth” theory, which was some sort of professional troll/astroturf nonsense from last year.

      Kyle Hunt I can only assume is some sort of elaborate troll – I can’t imagine anyone taking that shtick very seriously. I guess it’s meant to be humor. Also, the Renegade types tend to be far too “14/88 LARPy” for me. We have a Jewish problem – that doesn’t mean we should define ourselves as “goys” or “)))(((” or “anti-jews” – and Hitler fetishism is just tired, counter-productive, and usually promoted by the Usual Suspects.

      But the guy icareviews does interviews with seems quite solid on most of the issues.

      So, here’s my conspiracy theory I just made up:

      Kyle Hunt is an elaborate troll paid by the SPLC. He started Renegade and invited a number of trolls and non-trolls, in order to maintain some plausible deniability. The non-trolls do pretty well, and just when they are getting successful and drawing serious people in, the troll like Kyle Hunt purposefully sabotage them with discrediting nonsense like “Jew Science is Covering Up the Truth About the Flat Earth.” When the non-troll objects, the trolls lay low for a while until the non-trolls build up more credibility, then the trolls show up again to sabotage the non-trolls.

      Now, I just made that up. But I figure if Kyle Hunt can make up nonsense about “Jew Science Cover Up the Flat Earth” than I can make up comedy theories about them.

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      • guest
        August 15, 2016

        We all know earth isn’t flat, it’s hollow! Or where does he think the nazis escaped to, the moon?

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  17. Apollonius
    August 19, 2016

    Everyone knows nobody ever went to the moon and the Nazis are hiding in a secret base in Antarctica.

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