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The Real Motive In The Orlando Attack Is Being Covered Up

Trump and the alt-right have spun this as a Muslim terrorist attack against gays because of Muslim disapproval of homosexuality.

The Democrats have attempted to spin this attack as a garden-variety anti-gay hate crime with absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

But the truth seems far more incendiary, which is why the administration is attempting to cover it up.

“What we’re not going to do is further proclaim this man’s pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda,” [Attorney General Loretta] Lynch said. “We are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance [to the Islamic State].”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/19/lynch_partial_transcript_of_orlando_911_calls_will_have_references_to_isis_cut_out.html

According to the terrorist himself, his motivations were quite clear:

Patience Carter, who was trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Orlando with gunman Omar Mateen, said Mateen spoke about his motivations during the phone call.

“Everybody who was in the bathroom who survived could hear him talking to 911, saying the reason why he’s doing this is because he wanted America to stop bombing his country,” she said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-15/orlando-gunman-wanted-to-stop-us-bombing-afghanistan/7511586

afghanistanPerhaps even more incendiary is the fact the terrorist specifically singled out white people:

She said Mateen asked the hostages whether “there were any black people in here”.

“I was too afraid to answer, but there was an African-American male … and he said ‘yes, there are about six or seven of us’ and the gunman responded back to him saying ‘you know that I don’t have a problem with black people, this is about my country. You guys suffered enough’.

Now we can understand exactly why the Obama administration does’t want this information widely known. The attack fits neither the right wing, nor the left wing, narratives. This attack was in retaliation for US imperialism. This attack was in retaliation for the United State’s 15 year long war against Afghanistan under the pretext of 9/11.

The people in Orlando were collateral damage in the USA’s “War on Terrorism.”

Very reasonable people might begin to ask the question: why is the United States bombing Afghanis, then inviting their relatives here to take revenge on American citizens?

But that question cannot even be asked, and neither the right – including the alt-right – nor the left – want that question asked, much less be expected to give a reasonable answer.

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40 comments on “The Real Motive In The Orlando Attack Is Being Covered Up

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  2. icareviews
    June 19, 2016

    Reblogged this on icareviews and commented:

    Hipster Racist claims the real motivation for the Orlando attack is being covered up.

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  3. icareviews
    June 19, 2016

    I’m not convinced. The business about not including Mateen’s purported pledge of allegiance to “ISIS” in the transcript sounds like prefab catnip for the neocons. “Obama refuses to call this an act of terrorism and radical Islam!” Whether or not it’s removed from the transcript is really irrelevant, in any case, since the “ISIS”-Mateen connection, whatever truth it has, has already been plastered all over the place and the damage is done, so to speak. Also, if this is a genuine case of “blowback”, and Mateen’s motive is to strike a coup that will prompt the U.S. to leave Afghanistan, why has he chosen to endorse the fairy tale of “ISIS” and thereby bolster American citizens’ support for U.S. military intervention abroad? The various Muslim countries have little to no individual character in most Americans’ minds. Afghanistan is Iraq, which is also Syria, as far as most are concerned. The neocon house Arab Walid Shoebat has also claimed that there was an indication from “ISIS” three days ahead of time that Florida could be hit. Throw in the suspicious associations and behavior of various figures in this story – James Howell, for example – and I’m far from prepared to accept this as mere “blowback”.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 19, 2016

      I think the crap about ISIS is just the distraction. I think the quote they don’t want getting out there is “I want you to stop bombing my country.”

      Who knows, he may have even mentioned how many Afghans have died, talked of drones and bombings.

      Besides, I have no doubt that for many Muslims, “Islamic State” is a real thing. I mean, it is a real thing – I’m sure there are many perfectly serious Muslims involved in the various groups that make up “ISIS.”

      Without watching the video again, I don’t remember if Carter actually says “ISIS” – I think they money quote is “I want you to stop bombing my country.”

      The “pledged allegiance to ISIS and Hezbollah” may just be made up out of whole cloth, but we’ll never know because they aren’t going to release the evidence.

      And just for the record, the Carter woman seems completely credible to me. She’s acting exactly like I would expect a young black women in her position to act. You could hear her voice breaking a few times right when you would expect it to.

      For Western audiences, the point of tying everything to “ISIS” is because “ISIS” are those bad scary Muslims that chop peoples heads off due to sheer hate, with absolutely nothing to do with 20, 30 plus years of American wars against various Muslim countries.

      “I did this for Allah and the Islamic State to kill the infidel” = great propaganda for neo-cons.

      “I did this to destroy the perverted western sodomites” = great propaganda for libs.

      “I just want you to stop bombing my country” = off script. Americans can’t hear that.

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      • icareviews
        June 19, 2016

        But how does he generate sympathy for his cause by killing gays? We’re expected to believe that all of these jihadi killers like the ones in Paris and Brussels are propaganda-challenged retards. It all plays like a deployment of reverse psychology to me.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 19, 2016

      He wasn’t trying to get “sympathy” for his cause, he was murdering (white) Americans in revenge for their attacks on his country and people. The “gay” thing is just a big fat red herring – this club was a nightclub first, “gay” second – it wasn’t a place where dude are doing each other in the bathrooms. There were plenty of straight people there. Don’t let the alt-right’s homoerotic homophobia fool you. This attack was no different than the one against the EODM concert in Paris. As far as I’ve read, he didn’t say anything about “gays” at all. But he said plenty about the US war against Afghanistan and the Muslim world generally.

      This is propaganda of the deed, and it’s the sort of thing that they do to each other all the time. These sorts of attacks have been going on since long before 9/11.

      Now, the fact that he has family (and employment) ties to the intel agencies – just like the Boston bombers – sure is interesting and probably a factor. However, it’s been the Western strategy to recruit radical Muslims. Apparently, when they pop off and kill a few Americans, it’s likely a feature, not a bug. They don’t necessarily micro-manage these people.

      Also, the alt-right is fooling itself if they thinks this helps Trump. As far as I can tell, it helps Clinton just as much, if not more. Trump already had the anti-Muslim vote, no one’s mind was changed about this. Trump, true to form, took the worst possible approach – as if gays and social liberals were every going to vote for him anyway.

      One thing is certain, the administration doesn’t want the words “I want you to stop bombing my country” to get out to the public. They will talk about anything but that – Muslims, guns, gays – anything but an actual discussion of what the US has been doing for the last 15 years (really, longer.)

      Also, I now doubt the James Howell thing was anything more than the police and media blowing up a non-incident, and completely fictional stories being written about it in order to drum up blog hits. I followed the trail, it just didn’t go anywhere. If anything comes of it, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong.

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      • icareviews
        June 20, 2016

        “The ‘gay’ thing is just a big fat red herring – this club was a nightclub first, ‘gay’ second”

        Mateen’s own father is the one who supplied the backstory about his son supposedly being motivated by the sight of two men kissing in public. And as far as the Pulse being a nightclub first and gay second, does its website look like it’s trying to attract a general clientele?

        “Also, the alt-right is fooling itself if they thinks this helps Trump.”

        Except that there’s this:

        http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/gay-men-support-trump/2016/06/13/id/733650/

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/gays-for-donald-trump/

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      • Circus Maximus
        June 20, 2016

        Except it was Latin night at the gay club and the majority of the people who “died” were non-White. If the shooter were a “White Supremacist” it would have helped Hillary. Being a Muslim, helps Trump.

        Plus when you have the trolling army for Trump like Milo and Gavin going to Orlando with their make out session and preaching about how Trump will prevent Muslims from entering America + No Guns for No Fly & terrorist watch list, also benefits Trump not Hillary. Gays for Trump was actually trending on Twitter LOL.

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      • Hipster Racist
        June 20, 2016

        @Circus Maximus

        There aren’t enough gays for their votes to matter. Places where there are a lot of gays already are in the bag for the Democrats.

        So the whole “Gays4Trump” thing has nothing to do with actual gays themselves. “Gays4Trump” is about turning socially liberal, SWPL, hipster types against Muslims because Muslims are just like bad racist scary homophobic Christians, but even worse.

        The gay lobby DOES have a lot of money though, but that money is already given to Clinton, and Trump’s financial strategy (such as it is) is not really about that.

        This event could have helped either Trump or Clinton, but so far Trump (as usual) botched it while Clinton is using it reasonably well.

        Also, I doubt an Afghan really makes much of a distinction between “Latins” and “Whites” – at least not compared to blacks. Also, from the videos I’ve seen, there were plenty of white people there.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 20, 2016

      Trump’s polls are still way down.

      Omar’s dad was asked, “why did you son attack gays” so he gave some answer.

      Carter, the witness on the scene immediately gave first hand knowledge of what Omar said “I want you to stop bombing my country.” Not “evil gays must be destroyed for Allah.”

      That newsmax article is quoting a random reddit user and an “anonymous activist.” – it’s literally nothing. There was a fake tweet as well. The socially liberal vote is going for Clinton.

      Trump’s polls have barely budged and he’s still something like ten points behind Clinton.

      So far, the media is talking about guns, gays, and ISIS. They are not talking about Afghanistan – Omar talked about Afghanistan.

      Now the Attorney General is going to censor Omar’s statements to remove his “propaganda.”

      Neither Clinton nor Trump is breathing a word about the Afghanistan angle. That is what is being suppressed.

      On reddit, someone sent me a PM on the Weaponizing LGBT article saying he worked on a State Department project that was doing just what I said – using social issues to advance the “clash of civilizations” narrative- in his case, it was about women’s rights. He agreed with the point of the article and said that they were quite cynically using women’s rights as a way to target foreign regimes.

      Everyone took the bait – guns, gays, ISIS – and conspiracy theories – and it even took me a week to actually find out what the terrorist himself said were his own motives – “I just want you to stop bombing my country.”

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      • icareviews
        June 20, 2016

        Which still doesn’t explain the several reports of multiple shooters (and Mateen’s reported references to snipers working with him), nor Leinonen’s bizarre testimony, nor the apparently injured dude being carried a few feet before being set down in apparently perfect health. Also, the James Howell arrest in Los Angeles still seems like too big a coincidence, even though the story has now been changed to his having no intention of harming the pride parade. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying I can’t buy into any particular narrative at this point.

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      • Hipster Racist
        June 20, 2016

        Not saying I believe any of this, but here are some reasonable explanations for all of those things:

        1. The guys carrying a “victim” from one end of the sidewalk to another

        Consider that they interviewed people in front of a green screen (it was obvious.) They projected a generic, outside street scene behind them. That, itself, is fakery – but it doesn’t mean that the entire event was staged.

        So, they can’t actually get close enough to the actual wounded. So they say, “hey Mike the gaffer, pretend that Bill the intern is a victim, let us get a shot of you carrying him.”

        We saw something similar at a recent Trump rally, a cameraman stopped some of the protestors and asked them to stage an event. It doesn’t mean that the protest itself wasn’t happening, it just means that the media does more than “spin” – they sometimes create events themselves.

        2. The mother that seems really fake.

        Easy explanation? SSRIs. She could very well be heavily medicated. She was struck with starpower when the CIA CNN guy holds her hand.

        3. Mateen’s reported references to snipers working with him

        He also claimed that he had a truck loaded with bombs outside – seems he was just trying to hold off the cops.

        4. James Howell

        Cop pulls over a guy who says he’s going to the gay pride parade. He’s loaded down with weapons and “explosives.” The cop calls it in, whichever pencil pusher is responsible for posting shit on twitter puts two and two together and says he was going to attack the parade. He’s actually fleeing from rape charges and going to hide out with his gay friend at the parade.

        (Frankly, that explanation is pretty thin I’ll be the first to admit.)

        All I am seeing right now is both libs and cons trying desperately to spin this away from what the terrorist himself claimed:

        “Stop bombing my country.”

        “Stop bombing Syria and Iraq.”

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      • icareviews
        June 21, 2016

        I don’t pretend to know what happened, but I’m still keeping an open mind. Your explanation is plausible, but I still think there could be more to it, particularly since the “Homocaust”, as Twitter has dubbed it, seems so much like prefab propaganda.

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    • Erudite Knight
      June 26, 2016

      Good points, what do you suggest the real deal is?

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      • icareviews
        June 27, 2016

        The only honest answer I can give is that I don’t know. The last I heard, the audio from the 911 call – or the 9/11 call, as Michael Savage put it – still hasn’t been released. I say we should maintain our skepticism while remaining open to different scenarios. Too much is still unknown.

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  4. kerberos616
    June 19, 2016

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  5. TheZOG
    June 20, 2016

    Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/06/15/father-of-orlando-shooter-is-long-time-cia-asset/

    How America’s Afghan Crusade came Home to Orlando
    View story at Medium.com

    Orlando Shooter’s Father Visited DC, Met Congressmen
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/orlando-shooter-father-seddique-mateen/2016/06/13/id/733673/

    G4S did not Psychologically re-evaluate Omar Mateen after FBI Questioning
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/g4s-security-firm-orlando-attack-omar-mateen

    Orlando Shooter Omar Mateen not First G4S Employee to go on Deadly Rampage
    http://www.rt.com/uk/346492-orlando-shootings-g4s-vetting/

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    • Sam J.
      June 24, 2016

      “…Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset…”

      The CIA was involved with some seriously evil people as exposed in Senate Church Committee and House Pike Committee. They were banned from a lot of this until Reagan got into office. They went back to their old ways culminating in the death/assassination of Colby who opened up the CIA due to the Senate Church Committee and House Pike Committees.

      I think we were better off with the CIA not dealing with serious scumbags and having rules to not get wrapped up in their game. I think a lot of times we get played by the criminals and terrorist. We certainly, by virtue of dealing with psychopaths and scum, allow the exact same type individuals to rise in the ranks of the CIA. We’d be better off giving up some intelligence and not dealing with these people. Dealing with corrupt people will eventually corrupt the institution tasked with corroborating with the corruption.

      The Cold War corrupted the CIA and many of our intelligence institutions because it was considered a do or die situation. Where anything and everything was necessary to prevail. It’s time to stop this attitude.

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      • Hipster Racist
        June 24, 2016

        The CIA is unique in the intelligence community, which is part of the problem. Even after the post-9/11 restructuring of various agencies under DHS, the CIA retained a separate link to the Presidency. It’s been called the President’s personal army. But I think the real issue is that it’s very independence has madeit wholly corrupt – and it seems it started that way.

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  6. TheZOG
    June 20, 2016

    This attack was in retaliation for US imperialism. This attack was in retaliation for the United State’s 15 year long war against Afghanistan under the pretext of 9/11.

    The people in Orlando were collateral damage in the USA’s “War on Terrorism.”

    To make an American Empire omelet, you have to break a few eggs.

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  7. Hipster Racist
    June 20, 2016

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/20/what-the-orlando-gunman-told-hostage-negotiators-and-dispatchers-during-his-rampage

    Attorney General Loretta Lynch told CNN on Sunday that Mateen “didn’t get into” his thoughts about gay people during the calls, and indeed, the partial transcript shows no such discussion.

    Mateen “identified himself as an Islamic soldier,” the FBI said, and told the negotiator “to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq.”

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  8. guest
    June 20, 2016

    Speaking of imperial problems, there’s another current story where the media is reporting around the point, Outrage in Japan as U.S. Marine veteran (black) arrested in connection with death of woman on Okinawa, there are massive protest currently going on.

    But the punch line everyone leaves out is, that all those incidents over the years involved black soldiers!

    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident did, and so did the 2002 Michael Brown Okinawa assault incident. If you see someone named Michael Brown you better start running, be it in Japan or Ferguson.

    It all started way back in 1945:

    “The Katsuyama killing incident in 1945, was a killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans from the Katsuyama village near Nago, Okinawa after the Battle of Okinawa , shortly before the end of the war in the Pacific. Many years later some of the villagers confessed that every weekend three black United States Marines had allegedly been visiting the village around that time and every time they violently took the village women into the hills with them and raped them. When the Marines started to confidently carry out their weekly ritual unarmed, the villagers reportedly overwhelmed the men one time and killed all three. Their bodies were hidden in the nearby cave out of fear for retaliation against the village, a village secret until 1997. Since the killings, the cave has been known as Kurombo Gama, meaning “niggers’ cave”. Attacked Villagers revealed long after the attack that the Marines were so confident that the villagers were powerless that they came to the village without weapons.”

    Then there is the story of private John Bennett, the only U.S. soldier offed for rape in peacetime, who was, surprise surprise, also black. I’m sure there’s a whole post in all of this.

    They could calm the situation down in Okinawa by moving all diversity out, but the army is to PC for such simple solutions.

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  9. Hipster Racist
    June 20, 2016

    It’s funny, for the last two days I’ve been discussing this on reddit, and I’ve received two responses:

    1. The liberals, left, progressives say this attack has nothing to do with Islam, it’s because he was secretly gay and was homophobic because of “conservative religion” and Christians are just as bad. Also guns.

    It also had absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity – nor anything to do with US foreign policy in the middle east.

    2. The conservatives, Trump fans, neo-cons all say this attack is simply about Islam, he did this attack because Muslims are crazy, they hate us for our freedom, and hate gays.

    It also had absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity – nor anything to do with US foreign policy in the middle east.

    Isn’t is fascinating how close both “sides” are? Isn’t it interesting that questions of race/ethnicity – and US imperialism – are absolutely rejected (and covered up) by both sides?

    I find that to be the key issue, frankly.

    Any smart player is going to control “both sides.” I say this is a perfect example of that happening in plain sight.

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    • TheZOG
      June 21, 2016

      Isn’t is fascinating how close both “sides” are? Isn’t it interesting that questions of race/ethnicity – and US imperialism – are absolutely rejected (and covered up) by both sides?

      Nothing new. All opinions and perspectives are allowed, except ones that undermine the Empire’s interests.

      Any smart player is going to control “both sides.” I say this is a perfect example of that happening in plain sight.

      Of course. Jews control both sides of all socio-political debates in the United States, through their unparalleled economic and media power.

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    • kroneprimarius
      June 30, 2016

      I find it curious that the issue of US imperialism (and the Jewish puppet masters) seems to have washed a way from the lime-light in recent years, particularly with the invasion of Europe. If that was intended, that’s a hell of a strategy.

      As you say, It seems that the “all Muslims are inherently evil” narrative has taken hold on the “alt-Right” and (perhaps naively) I’m a little surprised by this. Its like all the dots we connected years ago (the Neocons, PNAC, etc) has been washed aside. It doesn’t take too much imagination to guess who’s hands this plays into.

      Of course, this highlights what you’re saying. All the so called “far-right” parties that have emerged recently are pretty Kosher friendly, be it Trump, Le Pen or others… They like to talk about the symptoms of our predicament, but are otherwise strangely silent on the root cause. Strategy? Or just controlled?

      So, once again I find myself sitting on the outside, in the 3rd position. The question is, can they really control the growing sentiment in Europe (and elsewhere)… I have a suspicion this will eventually blow up in their faces.

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      • Hipster Racist
        July 1, 2016

        @kroneprimarius

        I’ve written here, numerous times, that in Europe – Muslims are the real demographic threat.

        In America, it’s not the Muslims – it is the Mestizos (not even the Blacks, really. The Asians/Desis at the upper end of the socio-economic spectrum.)

        So this “rainbow-everyone-against-the-Muslims” because they are against gay rights (“Milo,” anyone?) only helps to serve a specific interest, doesn’t it? Isn’t Milo the guy who says he’s a gay Jew that loves sex with Black men, so therefore, we all have to hate Muslims because they are against Jews and LGBTs?

        At least Trump made illegal Mestizo immigration a priority – sure, he doesn’t mean it, but he said it, so there’s that.

        Sure, pretending the US and Europe hasn’t been involved in massive imperialism against the Muslim world since WWII, really, and especially since 9/11, is obviously just blowing smoke. Sure, Islam is incompatible with Western culture. Yes, we even basically defined our culture as “not Islam” in many ways (medieval Catholicism, anyone?)

        But the Muslim world is barely above third world standards. Of COURSE they hate us, look what we have been doing to them for the last 15 years (really longer.)

        Why would you bomb a country, then invite the survivors over here to take revenge on Americans and Europeans?

        You know what is being covered up? With all this silliness about Omar being a “secret gay” or elaborate conspiracy theories about California or “crisis actors” and all the rest?

        The obvious. Omar Mahteen’s dad is a long-time CIA asset. He runs a freaking propaganda TV station, aimed at Afghanistan, financed by the “Voice of America” – that is official US/NATO propaganda.

        Notice how that relevant fact is drowned out by “conspiracy theories.” No one mentions that.

        Not particularly different than the supposed Boston bombers – who had the same sort of ties.

        I’m not totally opposed to the idea of “crisis actors” – I know they exist – but does anyone really believe that the deep state would hesitate for a moment to mass murder Americans and Europeans?

        Not me. Our lives are no more precious to them than the children of Fallujah or Gaza. Why fake it? It’s probably easier just to kill us for real.

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      • Hipster Racist
        July 1, 2016

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      • kroneprimarius
        July 1, 2016

        I can’t seem to reply to your comment, so I’ll reply here…

        “I’ve written here, numerous times, that in Europe – Muslims are the real demographic threat.”

        Absolutely. I have some family in France and we are all to aware of it.

        However, where I live, the Chinese and Indians have for all intents are purposes “taken over.” This all happened in the last 20 years or so. They are generally not violent, they keep to themselves and have established their own enclaves. They have made some people very rich. Obviously they do not originate from the Middle-East, surrounding a problematic “shitty little country”, so (((nobody))) goes out of their way vilify them.

        That doesn’t make them less of a demographic threat though. Replacement is still replacement. The country has probably changed forever.

        So for me, one major issue to tackle is the underlying philosophy that permits this sort of mass-migration of “incompatible” peoples in the first place. One cannot deny the Jewishness of it all. I think a better case for separation can be made than just the problem of violence and intolerance of our way of life by some groups. IMHO, the “alt-Right” fails here.

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  10. Apollonius
    June 24, 2016

    “Homoerotic homophobia”

    LOL

    I think you’re probably more right than wrong in this post, but I take ICAreview’s point about necessary skepticism.

    More generally, I have thought since 2013 that mass shooting false-flags involving Muslims would be a great ROI for the Jews and the Neocons. 9/11 is still paying dividends for them (literally in some cases), and every such mass shooting event can be relatively cheaply arranged and yields a big boost to that regular “War on Terror” hysteria. Big, 9/11-style events probably will not happen again, because they don’t need to.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 24, 2016

      every such mass shooting event can be relatively cheaply arranged and yields a big boost to that regular “War on Terror” hysteria. Big, 9/11-style events probably will not happen again, because they don’t need to.

      That seems mostly correct as far as I can tell.

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  12. Erudite Knight
    June 26, 2016

    What about the ever present narrative of gun control?

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  13. Sam
    June 28, 2016

    I wonder if the story about a second attack planned for California is true. A guy named James Wesley Howell says he was going to attack a gay pride march but was delayed and turned himself in when he saw that Omar was killed. This comes from Veterans today which lies but some things they say are true. Hard to tell.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/18/ffwn-orlando/

    Howell says he trained with Omar.

    I don’t think the PTB can keep this up forever. Too many people just don’t believe the bullshit they’re being fed. Even the complete blue pillest among our citizens know that something is really rotten. There’s so much corruption it wouldn’t take a lot for the whole thing to unwind.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 29, 2016

      Veterans today

      Veterans Today is a ridiculous site full of nothing but complete bullshit.

      I automatically suspect anyone posting “Veterans Today” of being a troll.

      “VT” was exposed years ago as being a troll site. “Gordon Duff” is a fiction writer.

      TRY HARDER.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 29, 2016

      “Sam” – FUCK OFF with your “Veterans Today” nonsense.

      Seriously – fuck off.

      I would rather this blog shut down entirely than to succumb to this sort of nonsense bullshit.

      FUCK OFF.

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      • Hipster Racist
        June 29, 2016

        If AryanSkynet devolves to shit-posting from nonsense bullshit like “Veterans Today” I will happily erase this blog post-haste.

        I never got into this to support whatever nonsense “Veterans Today” is trying to do.

        I will trash this blog in a heartbeat to keep it from ever going down that path.

        Anyone posting “Veterans Today” bullshit I consider nothing but SPAM – and I will gladly, happily, ban every single one of them.

        I would rather have ONE honest reader and commenter than have a popular SPAM blog posting “Veterans Today” bullshit.

        FUCK you, shills.

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      • Sam J.
        June 29, 2016

        OUCH! I hit a nerve. I SAID Veterans Today lies. They do tell the truth sometimes. If you going to be in the disinfo business you have to tell the truth sometimes to be effective. I also said I WONDER if this was true. Didn’t say it was. I couldn’t be any more clear about my skepticism of them. My assumption was that anyone here would know that they lie a lot.

        You can get good information from disinformation sites if you can correlate events and use a little common sense. Maybe not 100% but most media is saturated with lies. Finding any “real” source is extremely difficult.

        Asking if there are any other sources for such interesting information is not trolling. It would be different if I swore up and down this was THE TRUTH but I did no such thing.

        It’s your blog and you can tell whoever you want to FUCK OFF but telling people to fuck off for asking questions in the vein of “…I wonder”…” Veterans today which lies”…”Hard to tell.” is harsh.

        Anyways here’s a video of Judge Napolitano saying that according to the transcript he read that “No One” died before 5:13 in the morning when the SWAT team entered. So all the bullshit that the press has been saying is wrong. How could this guy kill 49 and injure 53 AS THE SWAT team entered???

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      • Hipster Racist
        June 30, 2016

        Yes, you certainly hit a nerve – VT is a well known bullshit spam site. Gordon Duff makes up fabulous fiction, and once you are in the targets of those people, they will continue to spam their links on your site, try to get your real email, harass you, they even steal people’s work.

        Of course they “tell the truth” sometimes – but only to mix it with lies. So why not just post truthful articles? There is literally never any reason to read or post anything by VT. The only thing original they come up with is falsehood. Why bother?

        We’ve already drawn a significant amount of negative attention since I started this project – I’ve been threaten with hacking, linked by the anti-fa, had dozens of attempts to associate this site with DS – the LAST thing I want is to have anyone linking us to VT, or have anything to do with that site.

        Duff once actually took a story about an earthquake in WV, probably caused by fracking, and made up some ridiculous tale about how Obama’s Patriotic Forces were using nukes to clear out Dick Cheney’s underground bases full of UN troops.

        You see, that is not just “propaganda” – that is satire. If someone can read VT and even think, “yeah well there is some value there” (aside from humor) – well, their target audience is you.

        I wouldn’t post the Weekly World News about Obama meeting with the UFO Aliens, because “it might have some truth to it” – so why would anyone post anything by VT, which is essentially the same thing?

        Seriously, just don’t.

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    • Hipster Racist
      June 30, 2016

      See, what Sam just posted is fiction. I actually even discussed this issue on the other thread, and traced it back to the source.

      We had the actual story of James Wesley Howell. Then, some no name “conspiracy” site came up with a piece of fiction – and that piece of fiction was spammed over and over on dozens and dozens of websites – most without any sort of reference to the actual originator of the piece of fiction.

      Then, their little spambots post it all around more, trying to associate otherwise good blogs with hastily written science fiction. This is Sacha Faal type stuff.

      Let’s try to keep things fact-based here.

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      • Sam J.
        June 30, 2016

        My apologies. I get it. I don’t read Veterans today all the time. I have seen a couple of articles that seemed ok to me there. I saw the James Wesley Howell story…somewhere can’t remember where and when I searched for “California, gay parade, attack” or something like that VT came up so I linked that info. Oops.

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