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Is Civilization Bad for Whites?

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Is civilization an inherent boon? “How many times have you not heard praise of ‘civilization’ and the ‘civilized’ man?” musician and racialist thinker Varg Vikernes muses at Thulean Perspective. “These city-builders and city-dwellers,” he writes, referring to the etymological origin of the concept of “civilization”, “are universally praised as the most advanced of men. But are they? But were they really?”

Paul Kersey of Stuff Black People Don’t Like infamy, using the genesis of Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as his ominous point of departure, launches into a panoramic consideration of civilization in the United States:

Every time I fly, it is always the descent into the airport of my destination that leaves me overwhelmed — seeing the lights of civilization quickly become landmarks, streets, buildings, baseball diamonds, and houses upon houses helps punctuate just how small we are as individuals in the grand scheme of things. 

As the plane prepares to land – and depending on visibility – you can see the arteries of the city (streets) beneath you filled with cars, driven by individuals headed to destinations unknown. But it is these individuals who together create a community – good or bad, for better or worse – that ultimately determine how safe you as a visitor to the city will be. 

“Every time I fly,” Kersey goes on, “I marvel at the piece of machinery I’m climbing aboard, knowing it is the culmination of man’s dreams for a better tomorrow. Knowing it represents the type of evolutionary breakthrough that once heralded true progress.”

“There will be no bare-foot friars populating the future ruins of America’s major cities, singing songs to God as they march down highways that once allowed decent people to escape the already ruined inner-city of their age,” Kersey fretfully concludes, nor any “future Gibbon to ponder why such a civilization collapsed.” (To which waggish commenter Jay Santos replies, “Ah, but the story will be told by a Gibbon, in the literal sense of an ape like creature”.)

Varg Vikernes, contrarily, argues that civilization, in the sense of urbanization, cosmopolization, and progress-for-its-own-sake in conveniences, is historically an alien trend to the European man. The ancient cities were “built by mongrel populations; in Mesopotamia, in Egypt, in Persia and in the Indus Valley,” Vikernes posits, elaborating:

The civilization we have in Europe today too was built by “mongrels”: the Romans. Yes, if you are in doubt, know that all cities, all civilization, in Europe, is based on and stems directly from Roman and Judeo-Christian civilisation [sic]. The racially pure Europe was barbarian and uncivilized. Britannia. Gaul. Germania. Scandinavia. Baltica. Slavia. Dacia. Aquitania. Suomi. Scythia. Sarmatia. Illyria. Thracia. Etc.

If you think I am wrong, then think about this for a minute. First of all, take a look at cities today: who are drawn to them? Compare them to the countryside and then tell me: where do you find the most mongrels? Exactly: you find them almost exclusively in the cities. And if they can choose, almost all of them go live in the cities. Why? Because that is the natural habitat of the mongrel. The natural habitat of the racially pure individual on the other hand is in pristine nature; un-touched, un-soiled, un-polluted, wild, dangerous and beautiful. You find close to no mongrels there [. . .]

Civilizations are horribly self-destructive: with time they all eventually fall. They all go down in tragedy and leave the citizens dead or dying, eliminated by their own decadence, crime, stupidity and the degenerative life-style of the city, and not least by epidemics. The few who escape these death traps quickly die in nature, because they are no longer naturally fit for life, after living for generations in “cities”.

The ones who are the most likely to survive the collapse of a civilization are those who do not live in cities: the commonly much more racially pure individuals living in the countryside, as close as they can get to their natural habitat: the pristine nature [. . .]

However one may feel about Vikernes’s potentially incendiary assertions that Romans and Greeks, even during the ages of their cultural flourishing, were “mongrels”, his claims about the deleterious impact of abandoning the countryside for the cities, incubators of the neuroses and the perversions of modernity, do hold a powerful appeal.

Barnes Review contributor Carolyn Yeager, also a gardener, waxes poetical on the subject. “I find it interesting that Soil and Soul differ in only one letter,” she writes. “It’s not farfetched to say that soil is the soul of a garden. In the same way, perhaps, land is the soul of a people.” She goes on:

As Aryans, we have always buried our loved ones and our great ones deep in our soil, and there they remain as a physical part of our national existence. As our common blood and our common soil bind us together, so we are willing to defend our kin and our land.

Land is worth fighting for. A people without land will not fight as fiercely. The revolutionary Jews who took over Russia found that out. When Hitler invaded, the masses would not fight for Bolshevism, a foreign and unpopular ideology, but only for the sake of Russian blood and soil. The Soviet leadership found it necessary to court the Russian nationalist elements that they had earlier worked to stamp out!

The Bolshevist Jews were one and the same as today’s parasitic International Jewry with [its] long-term plan to drive us off the land and alienate us from our roots so that we will not fight for what is ours. By convincing us over the years, through media distortions and distractions, that land ownership is a burden that limits our “more worldly” opportunities, we were led to embrace “international” values such as money, travel, and career. We were lured to the cities and coastal areas for good jobs and a more sophisticated, easier lifestyle. Today, these good jobs are vanishing and we’re left without land or good jobs.

“It’s imperative now,” Yeager admonishes, “that along with re-establishing a fast and firm racial consciousness, we also reclaim the importance of owning and working the land.”

“PS,” Vikernes adds with an insight and suggestion. “You live in the city, and you hate it? Well, maybe because you are not meant to live there.”

RC von C

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17 comments on “Is Civilization Bad for Whites?

  1. icareviews
    December 13, 2014

    Reblogged this on icareviews.

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  2. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street
    December 13, 2014

    So true!

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  3. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street
    December 13, 2014

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    • Maureen Martin, Aryan Street
      December 13, 2014

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      • Maureen Martin, Aryan Street
        December 13, 2014

        sorry I guess I can’t share that link. In case anyone wants to look it up, it is a sculpture by Woolner of a Celtic man attacking a woman’s dress. The dress is said to symbolize civilization.

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      • icareviews
        December 14, 2014

        A better metaphor for civilization might be a stylish ultra-modern high rise apartment building infested with roaches.

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  4. Hipster Racist
    December 14, 2014

    Reblogged this on Hipster Racist and commented:

    Is civilization good for whites?

    I say, “yes.” European man, through civilization, made it to space. European man invented the internet, through modern medicine extended the human life-span significantly, conquered the earth, and otherwise invented the modern world.

    For all our modern problems – and we have plenty – I think we need to look forward, not backward.

    People tend to way overstate the importance of the classical Romans and Greeks. There was virtually nothing of the classical Roman and Greek culture left over after the Middle Ages except for some parchments re-discovered in the back of some monastery during the Renaissance. Whatever we inherited from the classicals it was indirectly.

    London of the Middle Ages had raw sewage floating through the streets and those who survived the diseases were hardy indeed. When they went to the New World, the Indios – with their lack of an immune system due to their tranquil life of hunting berries and light warfare – just died.

    The country life is romantic, to be sure, but let’s keep things in perspective.

    Civilization beats primitive man, so you either civilize or you are conquered and genocided by those who do.

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    • icareviews
      December 14, 2014

      I’m in the middle on this one. On the one hand, I agree that it’s impractical for whites to just unplug and go full-Amish at this point, if for defensive purposes if not for the benefits to be had in medicine, industry, education, entertainment, and so forth; but at the same time I think there’s a lot of truth in what people like Vikernes say about the salutary aspects of living more simply and naturally. Mainly, with this piece, I wanted to provide exposure for an alternative viewpoint that people might not have encountered before.

      I do think Yeager is right that whites should be concerned about land rights and farm ownership, particularly with a few corporations increasingly gobbling up the fertile land in America. In the event of a cataclysmic crash and food shortages, people will want access to locally farmed produce. This doesn’t necessarily mean that everybody has to become a farmer, but there is merit in the idea of having more and smaller farms as opposed to submitting ourselves to the mercy of corporate food monopolies.

      I also think it’s true that cities diminish social capital, expose citizens to exotic vices (and races), and risk turning many people into extreme individualists and recluses in ways that rural communities don’t. I’ve always lived in the city and feel much better off for it in many ways, but admittedly somewhat deprived in others.

      I recently allowed myself to be emotionally manipulated into attending a family reunion in the Ozarks with a lot of people I either don’t know or used to know, but let the acquaintance lapse over the course of many years. It was horrible. It was clear these were people who were living traditionally – marrying, having children, working at practical trades, farming, going to church, and so forth – and I quasi-admired them to that extent; but their company was uncomfortably alien to me and I felt an irresistible contempt for the lot of them at the same time.

      It was plain just from the way they looked, spoke, and behaved that these people were totally clueless about current events and what sort of a planet awaits their descendants. I actually heard one of these dolts complaining about how Obama was stripping the military and saying, furthermore, that every American ought to be required to serve in the army – no doubt to go fight them head-choppin’, freedom-hatin’ Muslims! These are people who probably would have wanted you jailed if you raised any questions about 9/11, mentioned Jews, or questioned America’s spiritual destiny as a light to the world or the unassailable uprightness of Benjamin Netanyahu. It was sad seeing all of these people in one place and realizing how representative they are of a large cross-section of American opinion. It was almost as depressing as being in a room full of wiggers. They’re sufficiently rural not to live around any Mestitzos or blacks and consequently fairly insulated from demographic alarm or other disturbing questions. The perfect goyim, in other words.

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    • Sisyphean
      December 15, 2014

      Agreed, you either civilize and produce automatic weapons and missiles or you become targets for those who do. However historically Civilizations have always had an inexorable trajectory: Growth, peak, collapse. Britain had their time in the sun, now a shadow they have stepped aside for the U.S. which itself peaked in power in the 60s-80s though many here do not yet see it. Eventually other civilizations will arise from our ashes and build their own narratives for who they are and what they believe that will help them make their own missiles and automatic weapons and earn themselves some time in the sun and their people some peace before collapse. One of the things we can do now as people who write and think is to imagine what those new civilizations might be like, think about better laws, smarter cleaner processes, and then write about it. That’s what Marx did for better or worse he made a pretty big impression. So can you.

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  5. vikingbitch
    December 16, 2014

    Reblogged this on vikingbitch's Blog and commented:
    In order to survive, whites will have to engrave their inner barbarian. It is ironic how the term ‘barbarian’ equates with bad manners when in reality, the Barbarians were people who trying to escape the degenerate ways of Rome with its bath houses filled with sodomites and its vomitoriums. Rome boasted that it was a city that hosted people from diverse regions of the world. Sounds wonderful (sarcasm).

    Cities or towns or ‘civilization’ can work when it is just white. Whites generally respect space and privacy, although this has changed in Amurkistan where most whites are so Hebified they act like a bunch of ‘yentas’ and get into each other’s business.
    Yep. I yearn to be free. I hate the Fakebook Multicultural Covetous Cosmopolitan lifestyle called Amurkistan. Frankly, I hate most people. White Americans created the mess we are in today by stabbing each other in the back. The Jew shekel and the fancy drinks it could in Shytetown was by far more important than being above board.

    Civilization needs civility to work and there is none in this MultiCult Mud Moshpit Amurkistan. People are rude and mean for NO REASON. I have always noted that Black Culture is extraordinarily mean. I find Latins to be rather abrasive. Jews have a noxious nebbiness that I just can’t stand.
    I had someone say to me once ‘I just don’t get the emotional independence in you’. I think this person was picking up on my innate Aryan independence. At the end of the day I just do not give a damn about what other people are doing.

    Ultimately, the Barbarians destroyed Rome. If course history or what I call ‘heresy’ books make this destruction of Rome a bad thing. Why? Why and for whom was the Fall of Rome a bad thing? Oh let me guess, the Jews and their Mud Minions.

    I want the Empire of the USA to fall because then Whites will be free again.

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  6. vikingbitch
    December 16, 2014

    (Better version)

    In order to survive, whites will have to embrace their inner barbarian. It is ironic how the term ‘barbarian’ equates with bad manners when in reality, the Barbarians were people who trying to escape the degenerate ways of Rome with its bath houses filled with sodomites and its vomitoriums. Rome boasted that it was a city that hosted people from diverse regions of the world. Sounds wonderful (sarcasm).

    Cities or towns or ‘civilization’ can work when it is just white. Whites generally respect space and privacy, although this has changed in Amurkistan where most whites are so Hebified they act like a bunch of ‘yentas’ and get into each other’s business.

    Yep. I yearn to be free. I hate the Fakebook Multicultural Covetous Cosmopolitan lifestyle called Amurkistan. Frankly, I hate most people. White Americans created the mess we are in today by stabbing each other in the back. The Jew shekel and the fancy drinks it could buy in Shytetown was by far more important than being above board.

    Civilization needs civility to work and there is none in this MultiCult Mud Moshpit Amurkistan. People are rude and mean for NO REASON. I have always noted that Black Culture is extraordinarily mean. I find Latins to be rather abrasive. Jews have a noxious nebbiness that I just can’t stand.

    I had someone say to me once ‘I just don’t get the emotional independence in you’. I think this person was picking up on my innate Aryan independence. At the end of the day I just do not give a damn about what other people are doing.

    Ultimately, the Barbarians destroyed Rome. Of course history or what I call ‘heresy’ books make this destruction of Rome a bad thing. Why? Why and for whom was the Fall of Rome a bad thing? Oh let me guess, the Jews and their Mud Minions.

    I want the Empire of the USA to fall because then Whites will be free again.

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  7. eyeslevel
    December 17, 2014

    When anti-whites are in power it’s bad for white people. When pro-whites are in power it’s good for white people. Win the propaganda war and take power.

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  8. eyeslevel
    December 17, 2014

    Off Topic. Awesome music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euNctmYPOAo

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  9. weeedwacker
    December 18, 2014

    I wish I lived out in the middle of nowhere.
    I never go out anyway, so why do I need to live in a city where I am statistically more likely to be violated of murdered by African half apes?

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  11. Shooter
    April 14, 2015

    Carol obviously doesn’t understand Soviet history aside from what she’s read from white nationalists who don’t give a shit about Russia.

    The whole Soviet Union was an expansion of Russian Imperialist ideology. The NKVD was not run by Jews and there actually were debates on Zionism in the USSR. You can’t really do that if you’re run by Jews, if all the thought-crime control is kept by the book.

    “By convincing us over the years, through media distortions and distractions, that land ownership is a burden” – Uh…no?

    “…that limits our “more worldly” opportunities, we were led to embrace “international” values such as money, travel, and career.” – Why not? Traveling is fun. Doesn’t Carol want people to enjoy traveling at their own expense?

    ” We were lured to the cities and coastal areas for good jobs and a more sophisticated, easier lifestyle.” – Coastal areas are prime for fisheries. Plenty of civilizations were based around coasts, and you need water to survive. This is a ridiculous argument. People move where they can thrive. Living in a primeval world is difficult and not all are cut out for it. People are allowed to have choices.

    “Today, these good jobs are vanishing and we’re left without land or good jobs.” – Let me guess, the Jews? Au contraire, you’ve got land grabs up north for all the gold and oil up there, and off shore refineries and fisheries are still going strong. Until Carol can provide a source for these loss of jobs, she’s pulling things out of her ass.

    This, too:

    “The racially pure Europe was barbarian and uncivilized. Britannia. Gaul. Germania. Scandinavia. Baltica. Slavia. Dacia. Aquitania. Suomi. Scythia. Sarmatia. Illyria. Thracia. Etc” – They weren’t uncivilized. In a way, they did have cities, but they were more agrarian based because their needs and methods of agriculture differed from the Romans. They were all fiercely intelligent, because if they weren’t, they would have died from natural causes long ago because they couldn’t feed or defend themselves.

    Clearly, people who say whites don’t have any civilization, regardless whether they’re Left or Right, have no clue on what they’re talking about.

    So. Am I a Jew for questioning you? You gonna do a background check on me? The truth is written by Jews, you know. Always question. Never obey.

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